HGH vs GHRP6/CCJ1295 during Cruise

[drpeptide]

Hello everyone, during a recent cruise phase, my coach recommended using GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 without DAC, and I had great success in maintaining my gains. I typically use one vial of GHRP-6 (10mg) and one of CJC-1295 (5mg) over a 2-week period (obviously, several vials are required, depending on the length of the cruise phase). This comes out to about 700mcg of GHRP-6 and 350mcg of CJC-1295 daily.

However, for personal reasons and due to availability, I’m now considering HGH and would like to explore whether it could deliver similar or even better results. I’ve seen mixed opinions on HGH, with some suggesting that it needs to be used for longer periods to see benefits, while others claim that exogenous GH might be more effective than endogenous (so way better than peptides)

My plan is to try 3-4 IU/day of HGH, and I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts or any personal experiences on this. Thanks!

 

[Juicedhead]

I think actual gh is way better. I don’t notice much from the peptides.

 

[mikeh1998]

@drpeptide what did you end up deciding on? I am looking into GHRP-6 for appetite support and some GH boost to maybe increase sleep/muscle mass.

HGH is something I could go for but it's more expensive and I don't know if supplementing exogenous GH is a good idea compared to using peptides that stimulate natural production.

 

[drpeptide]

Hi, first I’ll write some details about the protocol I’m studying, and at the end of the post, I’ll answer your question.

My bodybuilding coach recommended a protocol of GH and fast-acting insulin (5 units of each daily). I’ll be starting it in a few weeks. I don’t know the exact protocol yet, as I only discuss these things in person with my coach, and he doesn’t live nearby. However, in the next few days, I’ll receive a detailed explanation and will be happy to provide more information. I’ll also talk about the results later.

Anyway, I’m not able to use insulin without a coach, which is why I’m studying it thoroughly. I highly advise against doing it without the proper knowledge. So, if I had to choose between GH and peptides, I’d go directly with peptides. However, since GH and insulin have a strong synergy (and insulin is very inexpensive), I will study this protocol carefully.

To answer your question, the peptide protocol I explained at the beginning of the post was quite powerful. In the past, I did a short summer cycle for body recomposition consisting of 200 mg of testosterone propionate per week + 20 mg of oxandrolone per day (gained muscle and lost fat). I stopped that cycle, and instead of doing TRT, I stimulated my natural testosterone with HCG (1000 IU every 2 days for a month). It was a very short summer cycle, and since I was planning to bulk up a few months later, doing PCT didn’t make sense. Besides, my HPTA was barely suppressed (I'm very young). So, to support the gains of a light cycle, it worked really well, I have to say.

An important note: you mentioned only GHRP-6. Please remember that it’s essential to pair it with CJC1295 for effective results. I personally prefer using it without DAC. I advise against using GHRP-2 or Ipamorelin, as they are less stimulating, though less problematic when it comes to hunger. However, since you are specifically looking to increase appetite, GHRP-6 will be an advantage.

 

[RekTest]

@drpeptide what did you end up deciding on? I am looking into GHRP-6 for appetite support and some GH boost to maybe increase sleep/muscle mass.

HGH is something I could go for but it's more expensive and I don't know if supplementing exogenous GH is a good idea compared to using peptides that stimulate natural production.

Peptides do not compare to straight HGH. Running HGH is better, and its $50 dollars per 100iu, whats that like $2.5 dollars daily if you run 5iu.

 

[subnet11]

I think actual gh is way better. I don’t notice much from the peptides.

completely agree that UGL GH has shown no tangible results for me when Ive run it.

 

[mikeh1998]

Hi, first I’ll write some details about the protocol I’m studying, and at the end of the post, I’ll answer your question.

My bodybuilding coach recommended a protocol of GH and fast-acting insulin (5 units of each daily). I’ll be starting it in a few weeks. I don’t know the exact protocol yet, as I only discuss these things in person with my coach, and he doesn’t live nearby. However, in the next few days, I’ll receive a detailed explanation and will be happy to provide more information. I’ll also talk about the results later.

Anyway, I’m not able to use insulin without a coach, which is why I’m studying it thoroughly. I highly advise against doing it without the proper knowledge. So, if I had to choose between GH and peptides, I’d go directly with peptides. However, since GH and insulin have a strong synergy (and insulin is very inexpensive), I will study this protocol carefully.

To answer your question, the peptide protocol I explained at the beginning of the post was quite powerful. In the past, I did a short summer cycle for body recomposition consisting of 200 mg of testosterone propionate per week + 20 mg of oxandrolone per day (gained muscle and lost fat). I stopped that cycle, and instead of doing TRT, I stimulated my natural testosterone with HCG (1000 IU every 2 days for a month). It was a very short summer cycle, and since I was planning to bulk up a few months later, doing PCT didn’t make sense. Besides, my HPTA was barely suppressed (I'm very young). So, to support the gains of a light cycle, it worked really well, I have to say.

An important note: you mentioned only GHRP-6. Please remember that it’s essential to pair it with CJC1295 for effective results. I personally prefer using it without DAC. I advise against using GHRP-2 or Ipamorelin, as they are less stimulating, though less problematic when it comes to hunger. However, since you are specifically looking to increase appetite, GHRP-6 will be an advantage.

Thanks for your response.

One thing that confuses me is **why** do we need to add CJC1295 into the equation? From what I know, both GHRP-6 and CJC1295 increase the secretion of GH "naturally" through either ghrelin receptors (GHRP-6) or the pituitary gland (CJC1295).

If they both do the same thing, why not just run one of them? I have heard lots of people say that the two are synergistic and should be run together but I am still bothered by not being able to understand what the reasoning behind it is.

Is it as simple as GHRP-6 + CJC1295 being "synergistic" because they can both increase GH through different pathways? I am so late to the peptides game I am trying to catch up on knowledge but I swear this shit is so complicated...

 

[mikeh1998]

Peptides do not compare to straight HGH. Running HGH is better, and its $50 dollars per 100iu, whats that like $2.5 dollars daily if you run 5iu.

In your opinion is all this stuff (GHRP-6, CJC1295, tesamorelin and so on) just junk that I shouldn't waste my time on and just go for straight HGH?

Dose it something like 2x injections for total of 5 IU per day while blasting and maybe 2 IU per day on cruise?

 

[drpeptide]

Thanks for your response.

One thing that confuses me is **why** do we need to add CJC1295 into the equation? From what I know, both GHRP-6 and CJC1295 increase the secretion of GH "naturally" through either ghrelin receptors (GHRP-6) or the pituitary gland (CJC1295).

If they both do the same thing, why not just run one of them? I have heard lots of people say that the two are synergistic and should be run together but I am still bothered by not being able to understand what the reasoning behind it is.

Is it as simple as GHRP-6 + CJC1295 being "synergistic" because they can both increase GH through different pathways? I am so late to the peptides game I am trying to catch up on knowledge but I swear this shit is so complicated...

They can both increase GH through different pathways, as you mentioned, plus we are trying to use peptides as best as we can (we want to get as close as possible to HGH like results), so in my opinion its better two run both.

 

[drpeptide]

In your opinion is all this stuff (GHRP-6, CJC1295, tesamorelin and so on) just junk that I shouldn't waste my time on and just go for straight HGH?

Dose it something like 2x injections for total of 5 IU per day while blasting and maybe 2 IU per day on cruise?

Peptides are not trash, but I paid a lot of money for them because they were resold and tested independently. So, if generic HGH is, hypothetically, less counterfeit, it might make sense to go for generic HGH. However, please notice that HGH carries risks (when it comes to high UI daily dosage), especially for the heart (such as cardiac hypertrophy and increased blood pressure), plus it can also cause diabetes.

My coach had serious heart problems, acromegaly and diabetes due to heavy HGH abuse in the past, so now he always recommends peptides to his athletes, unless there are people truly interested in pushing their limits.

 

[UncleBuns]

If you are taking GH and adding GH peptides to increase total daily GH, it's a waste of time and money. If you want more GH just increase your dose of GH. If you take the peptides for sleep purposes then I think it makes sense. If you separate GH dose from the peptides by about 16 hrs The peptides will probably give you a bit more GH but it's not very worthwhile just for the sake of more GH.

 

[mikeh1998]

If you are taking GH and adding GH peptides to increase total daily GH, it's a waste of time and money. If you want more GH just increase your dose of GH. If you take the peptides for sleep purposes then I think it makes sense. If you separate GH dose from the peptides by about 16 hrs The peptides will probably give you a bit more GH but it's not very worthwhile just for the sake of more GH.

What if I am **not** taking GH and never have, do you think I should start with GH peptides (GHRP-6, CJC1295) or just inject actual HGH?

Goal is just to get better sleep, better collagen production, some more muscle growth, not trying to become a mass monster but want it to complement my test cycle.

 

[UncleBuns]

What if I am **not** taking GH and never have, do you think I should start with GH peptides (GHRP-6, CJC1295) or just inject actual HGH?

Goal is just to get better sleep, better collagen production, some more muscle growth, not trying to become a mass monster but want it to complement my test cycle.

Do you have a blood test for IGF-1? What is your age?

GH peptides at best give a mild boost GH, but too if you are young and you are producing a good amount of GH already they likely won't do much but deplete your wallet.

For more collagen production and to complement muscle growth GH is the way to go. The dose depends on how much you produce naturally, which is hard to know but an IGF-1 reading will help you ballpark it.

 

[mikeh1998]

Do you have a blood test for IGF-1? What is your age?

GH peptides at best give a mild boost GH, but too if you are young and you are producing a good amount of GH already they likely won't do much but deplete your wallet.

For more collagen production and to complement muscle growth GH is the way to go. The dose depends on how much you produce naturally, which is hard to know but an IGF-1 reading will help you ballpark it.

Thanks for your response, I am age 26. I live in Ontario and getting testing done requires a doctor to submit a requisition form, and mine won't sign off on testing IGF-1.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Exogenous hGH may transiently increase insulin resistance but in the context of otherwise healthy bodybuilders, this is not pathological type 2 diabetes.

 

[Ateam2023]

Hello everyone, during a recent cruise phase, my coach recommended using GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 without DAC, and I had great success in maintaining my gains. I typically use one vial of GHRP-6 (10mg) and one of CJC-1295 (5mg) over a 2-week period (obviously, several vials are required, depending on the length of the cruise phase). This comes out to about 700mcg of GHRP-6 and 350mcg of CJC-1295 daily.

However, for personal reasons and due to availability, I’m now considering HGH and would like to explore whether it could deliver similar or even better results. I’ve seen mixed opinions on HGH, with some suggesting that it needs to be used for longer periods to see benefits, while others claim that exogenous GH might be more effective than endogenous (so way better than peptides)

My plan is to try 3-4 IU/day of HGH, and I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts or any personal experiences on this. Thanks!

i wasted so much time and money on cjc1295 , just get some good hgh and do at least 4 ius (titrate of course) and you'll save yourself alot of time and money in the long run and you will like the benefits,,, Just dont think your gonna get a "glitz&glamour" from hgh at low doses, Its a long haul sort of deal,,,,

 

[UncleBuns]

Thanks for your response, I am age 26. I live in Ontario and getting testing done requires a doctor to submit a requisition form, and mine won't sign off on testing IGF-1.

At your age and because of the goals you list I would do at least 4iu on blast and just come off on cruise. Likely you produce plenty for cruise

 

[mikeh1998]

At your age and because of the goals you list I would do at least 4iu on blast and just come off on cruise. Likely you produce plenty for cruise

That's the plan! I also discussed it in another thread where I was asking about a different peptide (Tesamorelin) Peptide advice

Maybe I should order some kits and start a training log after I recover from LASIK....

 

[UncleBuns]

That's the plan! I also discussed it in another thread where I was asking about a different peptide (Tesamorelin) Peptide advice

Maybe I should order some kits and start a training log after I recover from LASIK....

I'd forget the peptides. Probably just a waste of money and time for you. At 26 years of age likely you can just skip GH for now. It's possible you're a low producer but no way to know without some blood work. Likely you produce plenty right now. If you are set on using GH though just use a solid dose during blast and none off of blast.

 

[mikeh1998]

I'd forget the peptides. Probably just a waste of money and time for you. At 26 years of age likely you can just skip GH for now. It's possible you're a low producer but no way to know without some blood work. Likely you produce plenty right now. If you are set on using GH though just use a solid dose during blast and none off of blast.

I will keep this perspective in mind. I am totally speculating here since like you said, there is no bloodwork that indicates this. But I have been an severe insomniac ages 13-26 (still am) and so I suspect that my GH levels are not great.

I would bet the average 26 year old would probably not get sleep benefits from hGH but I suspect it would make a difference to me, so I will try it while on blast. There's just so much to gain in case it does end up working, it would literally be life changing!