High conc only EO as carrier oil + BA + BB

[Pupil B]

After trying various Chinese oils and realizing that at least in my case the fear around EO is not necessarily warranted, I have decided to try to brew some high concentration gear with only EO as the carrier oil, along with BA and BB as in no guaiacol or any other exotic/harsh solvents.

Any tips, experiences regarding this? I've only ever used GSO and MCT before with standard concentrations such as 250 mg per ml test E, test c, tr e with the roughly standard 2% BA 20% BB or so.

Was planning to brew test c, tren E, mast e, EQ (although I guess doesn't really matter for EQ).

Worst case scenario if it hurts too much I will just dilute it with more oil I suppose

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

After trying various Chinese oils and realizing that at least in my case the fear around EO is not necessarily warranted, I have decided to try to brew some high concentration gear with only EO as the carrier oil, along with BA and BB as in no guaiacol or any other exotic/harsh solvents.

Any tips, experiences regarding this? I've only ever used GSO and MCT before with standard concentrations such as 250 mg per ml test E, test c, tr e with the roughly standard 2% BA 20% BB or so.

Was planning to brew test c, tren E, mast e, EQ (although I guess doesn't really matter for EQ).

Worst case scenario if it hurts too much I will just dilute it with more oil I suppose

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Thread 'EO issue'

Dec 16, 2024

I had a unique experience with an EO brew.

75mg Test C
75mg Mast P
75mg DHB
25mg NPP
2/20 BA/BB
EO as the carrier oil

1st injection 2.5ml left VG - gradually felt pain in my hip over the next few days. Nothing extreme, but some discomfort. It was not my VG hurting, but rather my hip. I assumed it was due to the 2.5ml.

2nd injection 1ml right lower quad - no pain at all, nothing

3rd injection 1ml left lower quad - 24 hrs post injection, I started to feel some discomfort from the injection area moving down to my knee. Nothing of concern at that time, but some pain.

48 hrs post...

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[Photon]

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Thread 'EO issue'

Dec 16, 2024

I had a unique experience with an EO brew.

75mg Test C
75mg Mast P
75mg DHB
25mg NPP
2/20 BA/BB
EO as the carrier oil

1st injection 2.5ml left VG - gradually felt pain in my hip over the next few days. Nothing extreme, but some discomfort. It was not my VG hurting, but rather my hip. I assumed it was due to the 2.5ml.

2nd injection 1ml right lower quad - no pain at all, nothing

3rd injection 1ml left lower quad - 24 hrs post injection, I started to feel some discomfort from the injection area moving down to my knee. Nothing of concern at that time, but some pain.

48 hrs post...

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• Replies: 11
• Forum: Steroid Forum

It's probably the DHB.
If you use very high EO, it becomes very thin, almost like water. The EO is probably clearing really quick and the muscle can't handle all that DHB at once. The opposite being castor which is thick and releases slowly.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

It's probably the DHB.
If you use very high EO, it becomes very thin, almost like water. The EO is probably clearing really quick and the muscle can't handle all that DHB at once. The opposite being castor which is thick and releases slowly.

Negative. I have run medium to high doses of DHB, including with miglyol 840, for about 2 years straight. It was the EO, nothing more.

 

[Photon]

Negative. I have run medium to high doses of DHB, including with miglyol 840, for about 2 years straight. It was the EO, nothing more.

Do you get increased CRP with china oils?

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Do you get increased CRP with china oils?

I do not use Chinese oils. I only homebrew.

 

[Pupil B]

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Thread 'EO issue'

Dec 16, 2024

I had a unique experience with an EO brew.

75mg Test C
75mg Mast P
75mg DHB
25mg NPP
2/20 BA/BB
EO as the carrier oil

1st injection 2.5ml left VG - gradually felt pain in my hip over the next few days. Nothing extreme, but some discomfort. It was not my VG hurting, but rather my hip. I assumed it was due to the 2.5ml.

2nd injection 1ml right lower quad - no pain at all, nothing

3rd injection 1ml left lower quad - 24 hrs post injection, I started to feel some discomfort from the injection area moving down to my knee. Nothing of concern at that time, but some pain.

48 hrs post...

• HereToTeachAndLearn
• Replies: 11
• Forum: Steroid Forum

I really dont see the point youre trying to make here not trying to be rude. A weird brew with 75mg dhb in it leaked out of the injection site and caused pain and this is EOs fault?

My friend keeps getting the exact same thing as you but with mct ba bb only because he has poor injection technique and winds up aspirating the same type of fluid you describe with the same symptoms.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

I really dont see the point youre trying to make here not trying to be rude. A weird brew with 75mg dhb in it leaked out of the injection site and caused pain and this is EOs fault?

My friend keeps getting the exact same thing as you but with mct ba bb only because he has poor injection technique and winds up aspirating the same type of fluid you describe with the same symptoms.

I likely have more experience with DHB, by sheer volume of use with different carrier oils than the majority of people here.

I can absolutely guarantee my issue was with EO and not DHB. I do not understand your resistance to accepting this, but so be it.

Ignorance is bliss!

 

[sionnach]

Why would you want to use a known tissue irritant with increasing data showing that is very probably toxic to the heart and can cause mitochondrial dysfunction as a carrier oil? Just got a good deal on bulk?

 

[Sera]

Why would you want to use a known tissue irritant with increasing data showing that is very probably toxic to the heart and can cause mitochondrial dysfunction as a carrier oil? Just got a good deal on bulk?

I don’t like eo, it’s too thin, but there’s no good data to support those claims.

It’s just a mere oleic acid molecule with two extra carbons at the end. Nothing fancy.

 

[Pupil B]

Why would you want to use a known tissue irritant with increasing data showing that is very probably toxic to the heart and can cause mitochondrial dysfunction as a carrier oil? Just got a good deal on bulk?

I have not seen this data. Post it and I may change my mind

 

[Pupil B]

I don’t like eo, it’s too thin, but there’s no good data to support those claims.

It’s just a mere oleic acid molecule with two extra carbons at the end. Nothing fancy.

Genuinely asking why is too thin a bad thing outside of possible increased leak potential like other guy posted?

 

[Sera]

Genuinely asking why is too thin a bad thing outside of possible increased leak potential like other guy posted?

In my limited experience it doesn’t seem to release the steroid evenly when there are too many solvents or its too thin.

I like to inject less frequently for medium esters like c or e. If I did a big shot of the chinese test c or primo it seemed to give me side effects but in thicker oils that doesn’t happen.

I’m not that experienced in steroids yet though. Others seem to have no complaints about chinese oils.

 

[Photon]

Genuinely asking why is too thin a bad thing outside of possible increased leak potential like other guy posted?

It affects how quick compounds get released into your body.
Injecting something insanely thick, castor, high ml with low solvent bb%, takes ages to slowly "break down" and release, giving your body more time to adapt.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Genuinely asking why is too thin a bad thing outside of possible increased leak potential like other guy posted?

You seem to have all the answers, so I suggest you go ahead and make your EO homebrew and move forward.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Good luck!

 

[readalot]

I have not seen this data. Post it and I may change my mind

Search for it.

 

[Don45]

I'm interested in using EO also so make high concentration brews. I'll be doing my own research but let me know how it works.

 

[newguy2]

Why would you want to use a known tissue irritant with increasing data showing that is very probably toxic to the heart and can cause mitochondrial dysfunction as a carrier oil? Just got a good deal on bulk?

Wow this is a serious claim. The cheap side of me loves to stock up on cheap kits of CN oil. But trying to take the whole harm reduction thing more and more serious. I've heard many things about EO but this is by far the worst.

 

[sionnach]

Wow this is a serious claim. The cheap side of me loves to stock up on cheap kits of CN oil. But trying to take the whole harm reduction thing more and more serious. I've heard many things about EO but this is by far the worst.

Myocardial cell damage by fatty acid ethyl esters - PubMed

Fatty acid ethyl ester (FAEE), a myocardial metabolite of ethanol, causes mitochondrial dysfunction in vitro in rabbits. We investigated the effect of these esters on rat heart mitochondria in vitro and in vivo. In vitro studies were conducted to investigate the binding of ethyl oleate (FAEE) to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fatty Acid Ethyl Esters Disrupt Neonatal Alveolar Macrophage Mitochondria and Derange Cellular Functioning - PMC

Chronic alcohol exposure alters the function of alveolar macrophages (AM), impairing immune defenses in both adult and neonatal lungs. Fatty acid ethyl esters (FAEEs) are biological markers of prenatal alcohol exposure in newborns. FAEEs contribute ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fatty Acid Ethyl Esters Induce Intestinal Epithelial Barrier Dysfunction via a Reactive Oxygen Species-Dependent Mechanism in a Three-Dimensional Cell Culture Model

Background & Aims Evidence is accumulating that ethanol and its oxidative metabolite, acetaldehyde, can disrupt intestinal epithelial integrity, an important factor contributing to ethanol-induced liver injury. However, ethanol can also be metabolized non-oxidatively generating...

journals.plos.org

 

[newguy2]

Myocardial cell damage by fatty acid ethyl esters - PubMed

Fatty acid ethyl ester (FAEE), a myocardial metabolite of ethanol, causes mitochondrial dysfunction in vitro in rabbits. We investigated the effect of these esters on rat heart mitochondria in vitro and in vivo. In vitro studies were conducted to investigate the binding of ethyl oleate (FAEE) to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fatty Acid Ethyl Esters Disrupt Neonatal Alveolar Macrophage Mitochondria and Derange Cellular Functioning - PMC

Chronic alcohol exposure alters the function of alveolar macrophages (AM), impairing immune defenses in both adult and neonatal lungs. Fatty acid ethyl esters (FAEEs) are biological markers of prenatal alcohol exposure in newborns. FAEEs contribute ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fatty Acid Ethyl Esters Induce Intestinal Epithelial Barrier Dysfunction via a Reactive Oxygen Species-Dependent Mechanism in a Three-Dimensional Cell Culture Model

Background & Aims Evidence is accumulating that ethanol and its oxidative metabolite, acetaldehyde, can disrupt intestinal epithelial integrity, an important factor contributing to ethanol-induced liver injury. However, ethanol can also be metabolized non-oxidatively generating...

journals.plos.org

Thank you for taking the time to share these, bookmarked, I'll spend some time on these when I get a chance. To be clear I wasn't insinuating you were wrong. But again thanks for some data.