High deca/low test

[Storm127]

This is a pretty mild cycle using deca as the base. This is my fifth cycle. All others have been test or test with either dbol or tbol. Body did not agree with the dbol.

I'm 6'5 245, 43yoa and the goals are to continue with strength gains and use the rehab properties of deca to help with some nagging minor muscular injuries.

Hairline hates high test. Libido loves caber. So I am hoping to offset the low test using the following. Some help from the vets would be great..

Day 1
Test 200mg (.8ml), Deca 450mg (1.8ml)
Day 2
Exemestane 12.5 mg
Day 3
.25 dostinex (at night)
Day 4
B-12 (1ml)
Day 5
Exemestane 6mg
Day 6
.25 mg destine (at night), HCG 250
Day 7
HCG 250


Weeks 1-12
• Test C 200mg
• Exemstane
• B 12
• HCG
• Dostinex
Weeks 1-10
• Deca 450mg
Weeks 12-13 (14)
• Test P 50 mg EOD
• Dostinex
Weeks 14-18
Days 1-20, 2000 iu’s HCG EOD
Days 1-30, Clomiphene 100mg (50mg 2x a day)
Days 10-45, Novaldex 40mg (20mg 2x a day)
Dostinex ?

Vitamin stack
200mg P5P daily (split)
Vitamin E
SAMe

 

[JC456]

I'd say the aromasin wouldn't really be necessary at only 200 Test. Obviously you have a small amount of aromatision from the Deca however that is a particular type of estrogen which can't be controlled via traditional AIs. Besides at 200 Test and 450 Deca you will be extremely dry. Keep the aromasin on hand and use on an 'as required' basis.

I would consider adding an androgenic component to the cycle later on if you feel your drive and aggressiveness decline, or you feel sleepy all the time. Some masteron or proviron works well. However given your hair issues only add if absolutely needed.

Otherwise this seems reasonable. I've had very good results with low test, high deca stacks.

 

[johntt44]

I'd say the aromasin wouldn't really be necessary at only 200 Test. Obviously you have a small amount of aromatision from the Deca however that is a particular type of estrogen which can't be controlled via traditional AIs. Besides at 200 Test and 450 Deca you will be extremely dry. Keep the aromasin on hand and use on an 'as required' basis.

I would consider adding an androgenic component to the cycle later on if you feel your drive and aggressiveness decline, or you feel sleepy all the time. Some masteron or proviron works well. However given your hair issues only add if absolutely needed.

Otherwise this seems reasonable. I've had very good results with low test, high deca stacks.

The estrogen conversion from deca CAN be controlled with aromasin. Maybe you're thinking of prolactin or progesterone?

 

[JC456]

The estrogen conversion from deca CAN be controlled with aromasin. Maybe you're thinking of prolactin or progesterone?

It cannot.

 

[JC456]

To expand on that:

"For now, just understand that nandrolone does not use this same pathway to convert to estrogen [8] and so the use of AIs to control the rate of aromatization will largely be pointless. For this reason, those who suffer from estrogenic sides on nandrolone are going to have very limited options"

Growth Stack Design Principles «

 

[Storm127]

BP is a concern and if deca tends to increase it as well as an AI I may lay off of it for now. Started last week and BP spiked. More so then on test only cycles. Noticeable from the deca

 

[johntt44]

To expand on that:

"For now, just understand that nandrolone does not use this same pathway to convert to estrogen [8] and so the use of AIs to control the rate of aromatization will largely be pointless. For this reason, those who suffer from estrogenic sides on nandrolone are going to have very limited options"

Growth Stack Design Principles «

That's not a legitimate scientific paper. I still stand by what I stated.
You cite Stacking plates?

 

[JC456]

That's not a legitimate scientific paper. I still stand by what I stated.
You cite Stacking plates?

For goodness sake, it has citations listed.

Must I point these things out...

 

[Gbro]

Just having citations doesn't make a paper legit. I can't spout off some bullshit and cite a few wackjobs.

 

[johntt44]

For goodness sake, it has citations listed.

Must I point these things out...

I've also NEVER read that anywhere else, even on this whole forum. I tried to find another article to back yours and couldn't find even one. That leads me to believe it's someone's personal theory not a known science backed fact.

 

[Cratos]

From several other threads on different forums, most don't run an AI with low test/high deca. I fact was curious as to why and I stumbled upon your thread. Will be keeping an eye on yours as I am currently running my first cycle and would like to primarily use deca in the future as my hairline is rather important to me.

 

[Storm127]

From several other threads on different forums, most don't run an AI with low test/high deca. I fact was curious as to why and I stumbled upon your thread. Will be keeping an eye on yours as I am currently running my first cycle and would like to primarily use deca in the future as my hairline is rather important to me.

Three weeks in and first time using deca. No immediate results expected this early but I can say that the BP jumped up much higher the first two weeks. Much higher than on test. Just before third injection and it is now stabilizing. Down from 140's to 125. Taking the reading same time each morning. Bp was high enough that it was causing some vision issues. I dropped entirely the SamE and lowered p5p. Have not used either before and wanted to make sure they were not impacting vision.

 

[Storm127]

Week 5 injection and results have been solid under the circumstances. Clean diet but not nearly the calorie count I want. Same with training. Consistent but not the intensity planned due to work/life issues within the month. Up 7lbs. Lean gain. The deca with caber combo is mood altering. Puts me in a good mood so far the entire cycle. Never experienced that with test only cycles. Also, developed tendinitis week 2 so the joint healing proclaimed with deca have not worked that well for me.

 

[Munky]

You can run npp for a quick nandrolone fix , fo me to see real benifits of deca it was around 12 weeks I ran anavar first 8 weeks in and test 400 weekly, pramipexole I get from my doc , the harder a guy works out that's when I could see the quick recovery times, that's my experience

 

[Munky]

Wanted to stack hgh with deca but I ain't got the cash , I run nolva eod have no estrogenic issue's

 

[Storm127]

I had planned to run 12 but have what I need to extend beyond that. I liked the idea of npp too but I knew I had travel so the frequent injections were a no go. Test/Hgh is up next. Cost requires plenty of time to save. Leaves longer time for pct after 1st time with deca

 

[Cratos]

Since you are reaching the end, are there any alterations you've made from the original plan or are there any you would have made if you were to do it again? Also, what have your gains been up to this point?

 

[Storm127]

After seven weeks i cannot say i would alter it drastically. If it were not for the blood pressure i would probably dose higher. Current dose is 250 test/ 400 deca. Lean gains because of diet/up 8 to 12 lbs. AI being used 1x a week on average. Change in mood on deca and with the caber is extraordinary for me compared to high test alone. Although, deca is making me a bit of a sap. my wife loves that.....Bloodwork scheduled in two days so hoping it goes as smooth as it seems. It's a mild cycle so I can see why one would match the deca and test dosage.

 

[Storm127]

Blood work came back consistent with test dosage. I have been at 3500+ when on 500-650mg a week of test and at 200mg test was at 1600. E2 was slightly high and prolactin very low. Maybe p5p is doing the trick on prolactin so I am cutting the caber.

10 weeks seems like the high mark in terms of gains. Still plan to end at 12wks and finish with prop. Love the mood on deca but in terms gains, strength, size etc.. They are greater for me on 650mg of test only. Might have to just get over the hair loss. Deciding factor will be recovery.

 

[JackSmooth]

Love the mood on deca but in terms gains, strength, size etc.. They are greater for me on 650mg of test only. Might have to just get over the hair loss. Deciding factor will be recovery.

have other variables changed that would determine gains on test and npp since you're last cycle? Doesn't make sense you'd make more gains on test alone and not on the same amount of test + deca.