34 years old. Blasted and cruised when I was younger. Took a ton of stuff. Last few years I only do trt 160 mgs. 2 months ago got blood work and my hematocrit was 54. So I donated blood. In the mean time I started HCG as well. Just got blood work again and it's now 57! The highest it's ever been on my whole life even higher than when I was blasting. I thought I was hydrated enough. I did test early morning after doing yard work for an hour or two but not sure if that matters. Worried I'm gonna drop dead.
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Blood pressure is good but I am on BP meds. I might really focus on hydrating the next few days and get blood work on Friday. If too high then I'll donate again.
It’s an enigma to most of us, I’ve been battling high rbc, h and h constantly. I even donate 2-4 times a year, I tried enarapril, ip6, grapefruit seed extract, nattokinaise and naringin. It works sometimes goes back to normal but will slowly creep up again.
The best numbers I ever had came when I was lean and doing an hour cardio every day.
The best numbers I ever had came when I was lean and doing an hour cardio every day.
bossetti
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It could be a stupid idea but endurance overtraining reduce rbc
Dumb question but I've been taking beef organ vitamins. Could that raise it as well?
Eddie.
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How's your sleep? Is there any chance you have sleep apnea?
I have no idea lol, however, if you are having high rbc or iron overload I think it’s smart to stop eating organ meat. Since it’s organ vitamins maybe it’s different?
malfeasance
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160mg plus HCG is a lot.
What are your following numbers on 160mg and HCG?
estradiol
testosterone total
testosterone free
Taking anything else? AI?
I know we all want to be Samson Dauda, but maybe you should think about lowering your dosage significantly.
What are your following numbers on 160mg and HCG?
estradiol
testosterone total
testosterone free
Taking anything else? AI?
I know we all want to be Samson Dauda, but maybe you should think about lowering your dosage significantly.
Older you get the worse it gets for some predisposed to secondary erythrocytosis. Sorry Brother.
Aspirin, nattokinase, etc if you dont want to drop the dose.
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malfeasance
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He is only 34, so, yeah, he is going to have to watch this carefully as he ages.
890 on the trough last time I get tested. E2 was in the low 40s and no ai
malfeasance
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You are not going to want to hear this, but I am going to say it.
Lower the dose.
I do not know your injection frequency or anything like that, but 890 at the trough is higher than the 95th percentile of peak measurements taken in the morning for natties.
Imagine what your levels must be at the peak.
source for chart:
How Much Do Variations in Physiological Testosterone Matter To Your Gains?
How Much Do Variations In Physiological Testosterone Matter To Your Gains?It is well established that anabolic steroid use, which involve supraphysiological doses of testosterone or related hormones, causes massive increases in muscle size, well beyond what can be obtained naturally.
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Note the midrange there is 531, and that includes 19 year old teenagers in the population group.
You are not even getting down there at the trough.
Your estradiol is maxing out the normal range (10- 40, you are over)
Give your body, your cardiovascular system, and your red blood cell production machinery, a rest.
Lower the dose.
Lower it a bunch.
Funny thing is my Dr said I could up my dose haha.You are not going to want to hear this, but I am going to say it.
Lower the dose.
I do not know your injection frequency or anything like that, but 890 at the trough is higher than the 95th percentile of peak measurements taken in the morning for natties.
Imagine what your levels must be at the peak.
View attachment 331780
source for chart:
How Much Do Variations in Physiological Testosterone Matter To Your Gains?
How Much Do Variations In Physiological Testosterone Matter To Your Gains?It is well established that anabolic steroid use, which involve supraphysiological doses of testosterone or related hormones, causes massive increases in muscle size, well beyond what can be obtained naturally.
Note the midrange there is 531, and that includes 19 year old teenagers in the population group.
You are not even getting down there at the trough.
Your estradiol is maxing out the normal range (10- 40, you are over)
Give your body, your cardiovascular system, and your red blood cell production machinery, a rest.
Lower the dose.
Lower it a bunch.
I gave up preaching about this. Good for you. Well done.You are not going to want to hear this, but I am going to say it.
Lower the dose.
I do not know your injection frequency or anything like that, but 890 at the trough is higher than the 95th percentile of peak measurements taken in the morning for natties.
Imagine what your levels must be at the peak.
View attachment 331780
source for chart:
How Much Do Variations in Physiological Testosterone Matter To Your Gains?
How Much Do Variations In Physiological Testosterone Matter To Your Gains?It is well established that anabolic steroid use, which involve supraphysiological doses of testosterone or related hormones, causes massive increases in muscle size, well beyond what can be obtained naturally.
Note the midrange there is 531, and that includes 19 year old teenagers in the population group.
You are not even getting down there at the trough.
Your estradiol is maxing out the normal range (10- 40, you are over)
Give your body, your cardiovascular system, and your red blood cell production machinery, a rest.
Lower the dose.
Lower it a bunch.
Plan is to retest on Friday actually making sure if hydrated. If still high what should I drop it to? 120mgs?You are not going to want to hear this, but I am going to say it.
Lower the dose.
I do not know your injection frequency or anything like that, but 890 at the trough is higher than the 95th percentile of peak measurements taken in the morning for natties.
Imagine what your levels must be at the peak.
View attachment 331780
source for chart:
How Much Do Variations in Physiological Testosterone Matter To Your Gains?
How Much Do Variations In Physiological Testosterone Matter To Your Gains?It is well established that anabolic steroid use, which involve supraphysiological doses of testosterone or related hormones, causes massive increases in muscle size, well beyond what can be obtained naturally.
Note the midrange there is 531, and that includes 19 year old teenagers in the population group.
You are not even getting down there at the trough.
Your estradiol is maxing out the normal range (10- 40, you are over)
Give your body, your cardiovascular system, and your red blood cell production machinery, a rest.
Lower the dose.
Lower it a bunch.
BigDadd7
Member
120 is closer to actual trt. 160 is a very small blast. High rbc on blast is a manageable short term side, not so much for a long term trt side.
Google Xyosted. Overpriced product sure. But there is a reason it comes in three flavors (50/75/100 mg injection).
Do I run TRT at 80 mg/week? No.
Should I? Yeah, probably.
TRT version of graph. Log scale on ordinate:
Do I run TRT at 80 mg/week? No.
Should I? Yeah, probably.
Linear version of graph....
You can use regression equations from Bi 2018 study to get low, mean, high estimates for TT level vs weekly equivalent dose.
Here’s the mean TT level (ng/dl) for 70. mg/week of Test Cypionate (see equations on chart below):
2.5 percentile response = 360
50 percentile response = 630
97.5 percentile response = 1200
Don't forget to use this table to convert your blood work result (trough) on given dosing protocol to mean:
Table: conversion between peak/trough/mean for first order absorption/elimination PK model assuming 4.5 day elimination...
You can use regression equations from Bi 2018 study to get low, mean, high estimates for TT level vs weekly equivalent dose.
Here’s the mean TT level (ng/dl) for 70. mg/week of Test Cypionate (see equations on chart below):
2.5 percentile response = 360
50 percentile response = 630
97.5 percentile response = 1200
Don't forget to use this table to convert your blood work result (trough) on given dosing protocol to mean:
Table: conversion between peak/trough/mean for first order absorption/elimination PK model assuming 4.5 day elimination...
TRT version of graph. Log scale on ordinate:
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malfeasance
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I ran 75 mg a week for about two years (no cycles, just 75mg a week).
Everything was fine. Sexual function, workouts, and so on. I lowered it because of blood pressure. The only thing that worked with respect to blood pressure was lowering my bodyweight, but running 75mg a week of testosterone did not lower my bodyweight like I thought it would. My body wanted to hold on to the muscle that I spent so many decades dedicated to building.
I did end up increasing the weekly amount, mainly because my estradiol was single digits. I am lean and do not convert a lot of testosterone into E2, so your mileage may vary. My regular doctor suggested I raise the amount of testosterone as well, as she thought that 75mg and the resulting estradiol number was too low. And she is the one treating my blood pressure issue.
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