High test doses impacting liver ?

[Bigbicep]

Hey guys, does high test (1g plus) actually affect the liver? Some people swear testosterone has no effect on the liver and some people are saying it does. I’m planning to run my cycle (1g test) for 25 weeks. Is that too long? Would it affect my liver? As some of you know I have high liver enzymes and had a ultrasound and screenings done and nothing seems to be wrong with my liver so my doctor put it down to the gym and the physical work I do.

 

[F41l0r1337]

If u need to take aromatase inhibitors, blood pressure medications and BA/BB from the oils sure.. but test itself should not.

Use Tudca/Nac?

also the great thing is that the liver is the only organ that regenerates, even if you cut off 50% of it

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

also the great thing is that the liver is the only organ that regenerates, even if you cut off 50% of it

If people also have cirrhosis from liver damage, that doesn't regenerate and they go into liver failure....

 

[malfeasance]

Hey guys, does high test (1g plus) actually affect the liver? Some people swear testosterone has no effect on the liver and some people are saying it does. I’m planning to run my cycle (1g test) for 25 weeks. Is that too long? Would it affect my liver? As some of you know I have high liver enzymes and had a ultrasound and screenings done and nothing seems to be wrong with my liver so my doctor put it down to the gym and the physical work I do.

Remind us, how high were the markers AST and ALT (or other markers if applicable), and did you take a few days off the gym before testing?

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ALT and AST levels can remain elevated after strenuous exercise for seven days or more. Some factors that can greatly impact these levels are:

• Intensity and duration: The more intense and prolonged the exercise, the higher the peak levels of ALT and AST, and the longer these levels remain elevated.
• Untrained vs. trained athletes: Untrained athletes typically experience larger and more prolonged increases in these enzymes than their trained counterparts.
• Effect of training: As athletes train, their work capacity increases. This allows them to handle greater training loads/volumes without a proportional increase in ALT, AST, and Creatine Kinase (CK) levels.
• Type of exercise: While resistance training generally causes greater muscle damage, significant damage can also occur in ultra-endurance events, especially those with significant changes in elevation.

 

[Bigbicep]

Remind us, how high were the markers AST and ALT (or other markers if applicable), and did you take a few days off the gym before testing?

Muscle Damage and Elevated Liver Enzymes - Unlocking Insights - Explore Our Articles

Discover the link between strenuous workouts, muscle damage, and increased liver enzymes.

www.insidetracker.com

ALT and AST levels can remain elevated after strenuous exercise for seven days or more. Some factors that can greatly impact these levels are:

• Intensity and duration: The more intense and prolonged the exercise, the higher the peak levels of ALT and AST, and the longer these levels remain elevated.
• Untrained vs. trained athletes: Untrained athletes typically experience larger and more prolonged increases in these enzymes than their trained counterparts.
• Effect of training: As athletes train, their work capacity increases. This allows them to handle greater training loads/volumes without a proportional increase in ALT, AST, and Creatine Kinase (CK) levels.
• Type of exercise: While resistance training generally causes greater muscle damage, significant damage can also occur in ultra-endurance events, especially those with significant changes in elevation.

They were pretty high. Pretty much double the high end range. I never actually took time off the gym or work before getting tested. My doctor asked me to do another test after not working out for 3 days because she said my muscle enzymes were high aswell and then I told her I could but the work I do is also physical so she never ended up giving me another test to do.

 

[Bigbicep]

If u need to take aromatase inhibitors, blood pressure medications and BA/BB from the oils sure.. but test itself should not.

Use Tudca/Nac?

also the great thing is that the liver is the only organ that regenerates, even if you cut off 50% of it

I have some Tudca

 

[Ghoul]

They were pretty high. Pretty much double the high end range. I never actually took time off the gym or work before getting tested. My doctor asked me to do another test after not working out for 3 days because she said my muscle enzymes were high aswell and then I told her I could but the work I do is also physical so she never ended up giving me another test to do.

Tirz reverses liver disease independent of weight loss at every stage prior to cirrhosis. I know from first hand experience it eliminated my stage 2 fibrosis, cleared liver fat to below detectable levels.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/lci2.86

 

[Bigbicep]

Tirz reverses liver disease independent of weight loss at every stage prior to cirrhosis. I know from first hand experience it eliminated my stage 2 fibrosis, cleared liver fat to below detectable levels.

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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/lci2.86

I’ll keep this in mind 100% if something like that comes up.

 

[Ghoul]

I’ll keep this in mind 100% if something like that comes up.

70% of US adults have some degree of liver disease, the vast majority undiagnosed. I'm sure that percentage is much higher among AAS users since even Test significantly accelerates the development of it.

I really don't know why it isn't routinely checked because over time it goes from fatty liver, to fibrosis, to cirrhosis.

 

[Bigbicep]

70% of US adults have some degree of liver disease, the vast majority undiagnosed. I'm sure that percentage is much higher among AAS users since even Test significantly accelerates the development of it.

I really don't know why it isn't routinely checked because over time it goes from fatty liver, to fibrosis, to cirrhosis.

I did have an ultrasound on my liver. Apparently it was normal.

 

[Ghoul]

I did have an ultrasound on my liver. Apparently it was normal.

To be on AAS and have under 5% liver fat, which is what "normal" is, means you've really got your diet dialed in, great genes, or both.

 

[Bigbicep]

To be on AAS and have under 5% liver fat, which is what "normal" is, means you've really got your diet dialed in, great genes, or both.

Well I really have been focused a lot on diet. More than usual especially since test results.

 

[malfeasance]

They were pretty high. Pretty much double the high end range. I never actually took time off the gym or work before getting tested. My doctor asked me to do another test after not working out for 3 days because she said my muscle enzymes were high aswell and then I told her I could but the work I do is also physical so she never ended up giving me another test to do.

I hear what you are saying, but I want you to be aware of something - double the high end of the range does not ring the same alarm bells for AST and ALT that it would for other markers, like high blood sugar or twice the high end of the range on e2 or twice the high end on red blood cells or twice the high end on blood pressure (240/140, lol). AST and ALT are different.

AST and ALT with a seriously diseased liver can be many, many times the high end of the range.

I encourage you to rest and retest.

If it comes in normal, then your quest is at an end.

What is normal is high out of range numbers for folks who work out. Like I said, I personally experienced this myself, as have others here, and I did the experiment, took only 4 days off and came back normal.

 

[Bigbicep]

I hear what you are saying, but I want you to be aware of something - double the high end of the range does not ring the same alarm bells for AST and ALT that it would for other markers, like high blood sugar or twice the high end of the range on e2 or twice the high end on red blood cells or twice the high end on blood pressure (240/140, lol). AST and ALT are different.

AST and ALT with a seriously diseased liver can be many, many times the high end of the range.

I encourage you to rest and retest.

If it comes in normal, then your quest is at an end.

What is normal is high out of range numbers for folks who work out. Like I said, I personally experienced this myself, as have others here, and I did the experiment, took only 4 days off and came back normal.

I’ll give it a go. Cheers bro

 

[Liter O' Test]

I see a lot of guys post about how they have liver or kidney problems and its just because they are going off of 1 or 2 bloodwork metrics and not considering HOW they would have actually damaged their organs or their doctor just treats sedentary fat people and is incompetent.

ex. kidney creatinine high / Egfr, because they didn't calculate your height/weight, or you never looked at it before.

liver enzymes being high, which isnt a sign of damage its just a sign that your liver is working. just because there are more enzymes from more liver activity doesn't mean there is damage.