Holy $#%@ The Game has Changed

[Demondosage]

another old schooler here myself, no here is how the game has changed; back in the day u already had to be a jacked motherfucker who looked like he ran gear BEFORE a source around the gym would even talk to you. And you didnt question shit, you just paid for what little gear you coud get your hands on and busted ur ass while ur on it!!! My first bottle of test was $200 and then I paid another $50 for 8 needles!! I didnt argue, I didn't question it, I paid for the shit with money I earned from cutting grass and I gained about 23 lbs off 1 bottle of Mexican test!! And that was running an old school 8 wk pyramid cycle, never forget it either. 1/2 cc wk 1, 1 cc wk 2, 1.5 cc wk 3, 2cc wk 4, 2cc wk 5, 1.5 cc wk 6, 1 cc wk 7, 1/2 cc wk 8. I gained 23 lbs off that shit!!!!

 

[DieYoungStrong]

^^^^^^^ the truth. You had to be in the gym for at least a year before anyone would give you the time of day.

 

[Pericles]

30 years ago, I trained at a hardcore gym, and the owner would throw a bottle of gear to you. Everything was out in the open.

The owner of that gym eventually got busted. It was a great place to train.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

another old schooler here myself, no here is how the game has changed; back in the day u already had to be a jacked motherfucker who looked like he ran gear BEFORE a source around the gym would even talk to you. And you didnt question shit, you just paid for what little gear you coud get your hands on and busted ur ass while ur on it!!! My first bottle of test was $200 and then I paid another $50 for 8 needles!! I didnt argue, I didn't question it, I paid for the shit with money I earned from cutting grass and I gained about 23 lbs off 1 bottle of Mexican test!! And that was running an old school 8 wk pyramid cycle, never forget it either. 1/2 cc wk 1, 1 cc wk 2, 1.5 cc wk 3, 2cc wk 4, 2cc wk 5, 1.5 cc wk 6, 1 cc wk 7, 1/2 cc wk 8. I gained 23 lbs off that shit!!!!

Even a basic cycle like this made a tremendous difference.

 

[Demondosage]

Even a basic cycle like this made a tremendous difference.

yea it did, because the shit was scarce and/or so expensive that you put your heart and fucking soul into that cycle!! At first it was a bottle of Brovel test from Mexico, the next one was a liquid dbol only cycle, Reforvit-B, for some of you old timers who remember. Now that shit wasn't worth a flying fuck!! Then came Naposim dbols, they were the best God damn dbol going!! I swear I'd get gains like crazy off 4-5 of those little bastards a day!! Then it was Equipoise, yea the old school 50mg EQ, lots of shots with that shit!! I took my physique up to about 240 lbs before I ever even stacked steroids in a cycle!! All these new guys wanting to do 3-4 compounds the first run are being stupid. 500mg/wk test can get you some enormous gain when your just getting into your first few cycles. Hell, I'm a vet now and I rarely go over 500mg/wk, I can get about everyhting I need out of that stacked with one other compound (unless contest training, then its a few) Test/deca, test/dbol, those old school cycles are basic, and they work!!

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

yea it did, because the shit was scarce and/or so expensive that you put your heart and fucking soul into that cycle!! At first it was a bottle of Brovel test from Mexico, the next one was a liquid dbol only cycle, Reforvit-B, for some of you old timers who remember. Now that shit wasn't worth a flying fuck!! Then came Naposim dbols, they were the best God damn dbol going!! I swear I'd get gains like crazy off 4-5 of those little bastards a day!! Then it was Equipoise, yea the old school 50mg EQ, lots of shots with that shit!! I took my physique up to about 240 lbs before I ever even stacked steroids in a cycle!! All these new guys wanting to do 3-4 compounds the first run are being stupid. 500mg/wk test can get you some enormous gain when your just getting into your first few cycles. Hell, I'm a vet now and I rarely go over 500mg/wk, I can get about everyhting I need out of that stacked with one other compound (unless contest training, then its a few) Test/deca, test/dbol, those old school cycles are basic, and they work!!

Beautiful response. What about these guys saying straight test-E is a better alternative to sust-250?

What about not wanting to take frequent injections, a good cycle for a beginner to take a few steps ahead in the fitness game?

 

[Pericles]

What guys? Back in the day 20 years ago, Before China (BC) my supplier (who was also my best friend) would have to go to Mexico, a lot more nerve racking than the way things are today.

However, he had the pre-loaded pharmaceutical sus (can't remember who made them....maybe Organon). That was, IMO the best test I ever had. Less water retention, sides etc. Nice stable test levels, too.

Beautiful response. What about these guys saying straight test-E is a better alternative to sust-250?

What about not wanting to take frequent injections, a good cycle for a beginner to take a few steps ahead in the fitness game?

 

[DieYoungStrong]

^^^ just do the sust cycle and see what happens. It ain't gonna kill ya.

 

[Briweve]

Good to find your post Dieyoung. Today is my first day back in almost 10 years. I think 2005 was my last visit and my old user name is still good. I dropped out just in time, before the squeeze that happened, the only way to get Tren was to make it from cow pellets(do people still do that) and IGF had just entered the market.

Now almost 10 years and a lot of LB's later a Doc appointment put my test lvl at 253 only 3 points above hypo, insurance won't pay for gel and the doc will only give me 250cc every 2 weeks. Whats a guy to do, put come home...

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

What guys? Back in the day 20 years ago, Before China (BC) my supplier (who was also my best friend) would have to go to Mexico, a lot more nerve racking than the way things are today.

However, he had the pre-loaded pharmaceutical sus (can't remember who made them....maybe Organon). That was, IMO the best test I ever had. Less water retention, sides etc. Nice stable test levels, too.

So there is a difference between the "old sauce" sust-250 and the "new" sust-250? Why is it less nerve wracking today?

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Good to find your post Dieyoung. Today is my first day back in almost 10 years. I think 2005 was my last visit and my old user name is still good. I dropped out just in time, before the squeeze that happened, the only way to get Tren was to make it from cow pellets(do people still do that) and IGF had just entered the market.

Now almost 10 years and a lot of LB's later a Doc appointment put my test lvl at 253 only 3 points above hypo, insurance won't pay for gel and the doc will only give me 250cc every 2 weeks. Whats a guy to do, put come home...

So 250cc every 2 weeks will only maintain you at this 253 test level? That doesn't sound very good at all.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

No, 250 mg every 2 weeks, if he could change to weekly, would be 125 mg per week. 125 mg/week would be a failrly standard TRT dose, and should put his test in the high normal range. However, I would think bi-weekly injections would have his test fluctuating to much as opposed to a weekly injection.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

No, 250 mg every 2 weeks, if he could change to weekly, would be 125 mg per week. 125 mg/week would be a failrly standard TRT dose, and should put his test in the high normal range. However, I would think bi-weekly injections would have his test fluctuating to much as opposed to a weekly injection.

One of my contacts in going after stable blood levels is doing daily injections. Is this absolutely necessary? I could see every 3 or 4 days to a week.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

I'm not a Endo and I don't play one on the internet, but unless he is self-medicating with Prop, I don't see any reason for ED injections - or how it could even be done. As far as I'm aware, Dr's prescride Test Cyp in US and Test E in Europe for patients going the injection route. No reason for ED injections with either of those. Those are long half-life esters. Plus, he's probaly prescribed around 100 mg/week, HG test from a US compounding pharmacy is dosed at 200mg/ml tops (more likely 100 mg/ml) and that works out to something like .143 ml/day from a 100mg/ml dose.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

I'm not a Endo and I don't play one on the internet, but unless he is self-medicating with Prop, I don't see any reason for ED injections - or how it could even be done. As far as I'm aware, Dr's prescride Test Cyp in US and Test E in Europe for patients going the injection route. No reason for ED injections with either of those. Those are long half-life esters. Plus, he's probaly prescribed around 100 mg/week, HG test from a US compounding pharmacy is dosed at 200mg/ml tops (more likely 100 mg/ml) and that works out to something like .143 ml/day from a 100mg/ml dose.

According to my information Test-E is 5.25 days half life and test cyp is 6 days half life. Weekly is OK with these? Would an injection at the 3-4 day mark make much of a difference over weekly?

The guy who says he pins daily for stable blood levels is doing prop every day.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

Whenever I've taken Cyp or Enth, I always split the dose to 2x per week to keep levels more stable. That said, I'd be willing to bet that your average 50 yr old guy on TRT wants the least amount of injections possible. My first cycle I pinned Cyp once a week and grew just fine. I'd imagine the same for a weekly TRT dose shot.

If you live in the US, your friend is self-medicating with the Prop. I've never heard of anyone being prescribed Prop - again I'm not a Dr. Also, no offense, your friend is an idiot. Not for doing test, but for enduring a life of daily injections of a "TRT Dose" when he would be just fine and notice no difference doing weekly/2x week injections of longer esters. Please don't try to tell me he gets bloated on 100-200mg/week of Cyp or Enanth either.

Daily TRT Prop injections...you gotta be trolling.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Whenever I've taken Cyp or Enth, I always split the dose to 2x per week to keep levels more stable. That said, I'd be willing to bet that your average 50 yr old guy on TRT wants the least amount of injections possible. My first cycle I pinned Cyp once a week and grew just fine. I'd imagine the same for a weekly TRT dose shot.

If you live in the US, your friend is self-medicating with the Prop. I've never heard of anyone being prescribed Prop - again I'm not a Dr. Also, no offense, your friend is an idiot. Not for doing test, but for enduring a life of daily injections of a "TRT Dose" when he would be just fine and notice no difference doing weekly/2x week injections of longer esters. Please don't try to tell me he gets bloated on 100-200mg/week of Cyp or Enanth either.

Daily TRT Prop injections...you gotta be trolling.

I knew weekly was ok. If twice a week gave a benefit, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Daily seems excessive.

So whats the verdict on sust-250 vs test-E or test-cyp? I was told to avoid sust-250, that it would bloat you more than the other two and it's not going to work as well.

 

[stomps]

Why is it less nerve wracking today?

Cause nowadays you don't need to drive across the border with a bag full of goodies