How do you beat a drug test on Winni?

mtwain said:
When you find out, let Tim Sylvia know. Dude is still testing positive for winny after 9 months. "Miniscule traces."


CABBAGE CORREIRA TO FIGHT ANDREI ARLOVSKI; WES SIMS TO MEET MIKE KYLE IN CARD CHANGES FOR UFC 47: ITS ON!
Test Results Reveal Former Heavyweight Champion Tim Sylvia HasTrace Amounts Of Performance Enhancing Substance In System

LAS VEGAS, NEV., April 1, 2004.Cabbage Correira will fight Andrei Arlovski in a three-round, non-title fight and Wes Sims will take Correiras place against Mike Kyle in heavyweight card changes announced today by Zuffa, LLC for Ultimate Fighting Championship 47: Its On!, which will air LIVE on pay-per-view at 10 p.m. EST, Friday, April 2.

The card changes became necessary when a urinalysis test for former UFC Heavyweight Champion Tim Sylvia today revealed he still has miniscule traces of a performance enhancing substance in his system. Under the terms of his prior suspension by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Sylvia cannot obtain a license in Nevada until all traces of the substance are gone from his system. The trace amounts found in his system go back to his first and only use of the agents taken over nine months ago.

Because the NSAC had ordered Sylvia to provide satisfactory results before fighting again, he had requested that he be given until the last possible opportunity to obtain accurate test results.

Tim was honest and forthcoming in admitting his initial use of the agent and we have complete confidence that he did not violate his suspension. Since he was returning to attempt to re-gain his heavyweight title, Zuffa and the Commission wanted to give him every opportunity to do so. Determining a champion in our heavyweight division remains a top priority, said Dana White, UFC president.

**The above information was furnished to FFI by Keith Evans of the UFC/ZUFFA
thats a easy one, dont do drugs! not sure how long winny stays in you for, I heard almost as long as deca,
 
Drug test..

I stated this before the only the things I know of that can't be tested for are Test,gh and insulin..I'm going to tell you something that some people might not believe but is possible...You would have to know when the test is exactly on what day and time..You must start drinking water on that morning and I mean alot as much as you can.so lets say the test is at 3:00pm around 7am you would start drinking I would try and have a gallon down by say 11am and keep drinking, you might get more then 2 gallons down by test time. the thing is once you start to feel like you have to piss! piss!! Do not hold it !!!..And keep pissing and drinking as much as you can the whole way up to the test it will keep your bladder flushed and does not give the drug time to settle.Its not and easy thing to do you get about half sick..And this is only a temporary thing once you slow down on the water and pissing your levels will go bacK up!!I really shouldn't say this but I know from experience!!P.S.I know they use to make something called Defend years ago that would also help...Dont know if its still out there though maybe someone else knows..Goodluck and try and stick to the three I mentioned..Just my experience..Peace Captainamerica P.S.S.Most fail test because they are done radomely so you don't know when they are coming now those are tuff to beat!!
 
mtwain said:
Tru dat. Winny is an oral and has a very short half-life but I'm not sure how long it takes for ALL traces to disappear. I believe he's telling the truth and hasn't been on anything since his suspension. He knew all eyes would be on him and he'd be tested. Just tough luck, I guess.


I think winny is detectable up to like 2 or 3 months if i remember right. But i think the oral winny is suppose to be like 3 or 4 weeks. Not sure though.
 
Winny

FYI- A friend of mine lost his job in the public sector for testing positive for winny and Deca, He could explain the Deca (Pro-Hormones) but could not explain away the winny. He did drink a shitload of water and used one of those masking agents I believe and possibly diuretics. The test's are pretty damn sensitive so good luck.
 
I have spoken with someone that works for the worlds largest drug testing company (they test over 90% of the Fortune 500) and even he said that they do not test for AAS, even for the most comprehensive tests. They do a 10 panel analysis.

If its for D1 football, which you didnt say before, then I think youre screwed. Based on what is happening with Tim Sylvia, I believe that he hasnt used anything for 7 or 8 months and is still testing positive at very low levels.
 
captainamerica said:
I stated this before the only the things I know of that can't be tested for are Test,gh and insulin..I'm going to tell you something that some people might not believe but is possible...You would have to know when the test is exactly on what day and time..You must start drinking water on that morning and I mean alot as much as you can.so lets say the test is at 3:00pm around 7am you would start drinking I would try and have a gallon down by say 11am and keep drinking, you might get more then 2 gallons down by test time. the thing is once you start to feel like you have to piss! piss!! Do not hold it !!!..And keep pissing and drinking as much as you can the whole way up to the test it will keep your bladder flushed and does not give the drug time to settle.Its not and easy thing to do you get about half sick..And this is only a temporary thing once you slow down on the water and pissing your levels will go bacK up!!I really shouldn't say this but I know from experience!!P.S.I know they use to make something called Defend years ago that would also help...Dont know if its still out there though maybe someone else knows..Goodluck and try and stick to the three I mentioned..Just my experience..Peace Captainamerica P.S.S.Most fail test because they are done radomely so you don't know when they are coming now those are tuff to beat!!

This will never work, except on an instant drug test which will not be used b/c they don't make them for juice and they will not hold up in court. If you drink a lot of water then the specific gravity will be off (this is a standard panel on any drug test and always conducted). If this is off it flags the test and makes it very suspect. You will wind up having to redue the drug test. No doubt about it. NCAA tests should not be announced- they should give 24 hours notice in most cases- The good thing is they won't test everyone and tey don't test all of the samples they obatin. I played a different D1 sport in undergrad and was nationally ranked and got nailed. At the time I felt angry but as I grew older I realized a had learned a very important lesson. Steriods are very bad for you and using them constitutes cheating. You don't want to be a cheater do you ;-) As the late Mr. Rogers said, "You don't have to anything great for people to love you" and we love you just the way you are.
 
Ask Ben Johnson for his advice. I hear he's an expert on winny ;). Seriously, bro, I and some guys i know took winny over a summer and passed every NCAA test throughout the year. Oral should be out within a few weeks.

-RVZ
 
ronnievanzant said:
Ask Ben Johnson for his advice. I hear he's an expert on winny ;). Seriously, bro, I and some guys i know took winny over a summer and passed every NCAA test throughout the year. Oral should be out within a few weeks.

-RVZ

LOL

First thing they do is look for your epi/test ratio.... If you fail that, then they try to make you fess up. If the organization has lots of time and money, then it will send the deal into the lab for some very very expensive testing.

Now they may or may not have that particular steroid on "file". If they don't, than nothing conclusive is determined.

If they hit an athlete, then history shows that with his attorney, he will still "get off".

I don't think they will spring for the gas chromo unless you failed the test/epi first.

Even then, I have yet to hear anyone losing out because a drug was detected unless they confessed. Some Olympic contenders have claimed that the drug result was because they took nor andro some several months prior to the contest, [those metabolites will be detectable for a long time]; or, in one case, a contender successfully argued through his attorney that his toothpaste was spiked by the drug by another competitor prior to the test.

My understanding is that gas chromo will pick up "known" chemicals like nandrolones up to 18 months (particularly in cases where it has been mobilized from fat stores or even from injection sites); but anavar and dbol supposedly rarely show after 8 days. Some new-sophisticated tests will show up to 16 days, and some nasal tests won't show up after a day... Other sources suggest 6 to 14 weeks for dbol, methenolone, primobolan, and winstrol. I have heard some sources suggest 3 to 6 weeks on test cyp and enan, trenbolone... And I have read references for 2 to 6 weeks on most orals.

Either way, enough of the substance has to be available for detection. And several environmental factors can influence the outcome such as alcohol consumption, cigarette smoking, exposure to solvents, other medications and so on... And drug testing sensitivity will very from lab to lab.

I am not an expert nor ever had the desire to want to know about IOC testing! Because of all the variables, I dont think I would be doing an athlete a favor by suggesting a particular half life of a drug - as it may result in a positive test.

My understanding is that historically, stanozolol and nandrolone account for most of the anabolic steroid positives. [Stanozolol presumably because athletes commonly take it up to a week before testing].

To reiterate, other countries to beat detection have used obscure roids. Many athletes will escape the initial screening by injecting epi and dehydroepiandrosterones or androstenedione prior to or during contests. Hyperactivity of the adrenal glands will also cause an increase in epitestosterone - thus the current rumors about athletes using exogenous ACTH to this effect.

If it goes to gas chromography, then the I understand the general times to be as follows:

Nandrolones 18 months
Low dose anavar, dbol and Winnie supposedly (rarely) wont show up after 8 days
Newer sophisticated testosterones are supposed to show up to 16 days

Notice that there are many books on this topic that get very specific. Just look in a Powerlifting USA magazine. They sell text books on how to beat the system.
 
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