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how much anadrol?

drago1 said:
anadrol alone can cause progestagenic induced gyno. what BR is saying is that it is aggravated by androgens such as test. i wouldnt suggest using anadrol as a cutting drug as it is well known for water retention. this will hinder the look you are trying to obtain.
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That's what I was looking for! Thanks!

one more though...

are there any good cutting orals besides winny?
 
Da Bus said:
That's what I was looking for! Thanks!

one more though...

are there any good cutting orals besides winny?
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Orals that don't cause water retention
halotestin
anavar
RSOC Oral turinabol
Primo acetate
dbol with arimidex probably won't

BR says that Drol's progestagenic effects are less with non-aromatizing androgens... Bromo is for prolactin I believe, not progesterone.
faslodex inhibits progesterone & estrogen I think....
 
scrappy said:
Orals that don't cause water retention
halotestin
anavar
RSOC Oral turinabol
Primo acetate
dbol with arimidex probably won't

BR says that Drol's progestagenic effects are less with non-aromatizing androgens... Bromo is for prolactin I believe, not progesterone.
faslodex inhibits progesterone & estrogen I think....
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Thanks

What's the opinion from the other bros on this board about anavar? Especially in a cutting cycle?

What are the sides with anavar?
 
i ran sust250 dry every 3 days, ad50 1/day - for 4 weeks and eq 400 mgs/wk ... all this for 10weeks. it was a great cycle
 
drago1 said:
on another note. i would be cautious in stacking test and anadrol. androgens are well known for magnifying the progestagenic side effects of anadrol. the best and in my book, the only thing to stack with anadrol is winstrol as it actually helps counter things such as progesterone induced gyno as well as other sides. basically, anadrol alone can be very harsh. adding test can make it harsher. poor choice of a stack IMHO.
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Adding test to Adrol isn't going to make Adrol any harsher on your body,then if taken Adrol alone.Yes,adding Aromatizing AAS to an Adrol stack will increase the risk of gyno from Adrol but that's just something those prone to it need to worry about. Test and Adrol are a great combo when looking for extreme mass. Leave the Winny for the runners
 
Well var can't cause gyno so that's out.
I think it is beneficial to collagen (connective tissue)
It is not a size builder but good for keeping strength while cutting. so I guess it's good for 'hardness' too.
It will raise liver enzymes I believe but there is some debate over how bad it really is for liver. I believe it is used in hepatitis patients sometimes.
I also remember reading it is the only roid docs give to kids as it does not prematurely close epiphesial plates.

All in all it's pretty safe... you can check out what doctors see in prescribing info at www.rxlist.com
search on oxandrolone

I personally like it but my goal for me and my friends is to get strong with minimal weight gain...for weight classed sports...I think it's good in a cutting situation
 
drago1 said:
you felt like you liver was going to fall out? wtf? do you honestly believe that you could "feel" your liver in this bad of a condition in this short of a time? did you have liver values checked post cycle? do you realize that oral and injectable winstrol are both 17-aa? this is unique only to winstrol which is why the depot can be taken orally. they both have the same effect on the body, no matter what form. i dont see where the stigma comes from, on this board, in stacking two 17-aa's. i wouldnt suggest doing this for very long. say maybe 6 weeks max. but to say that it is a bad idea, is just totally unfounded, and speculation. imo
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My friend told me he felt pain in his liver after 2 weeks of Adrol :-) Maybe there can be some pain felt,i don't know,but,as far as everything else you said,i agree. 6-8 weeks of 17aa cycle is playing it very safe. I believe they can be taken for much much longer without any liver damage,if the liver is ok to begin with
 
Maybe Anadrol can produce gyno when used alone,but my friend who is very sensitive to gyno(starting getting it not even 2 weeks into low dose d-bol cycle)has taken Adrol alone and has had no gyno problems at all. The Adrol was good too,because he gained quite a bit of weight.
 
I wouldn't rely on MT. I would get bloodwork done. Reading all these posts(on all boards)about it,It seems like Milk Thistle is the cure for liver cancer. I bet alot of guys skip on the blood work when taking MT,because they think the milk thistle will not alow any damage to their livers. Why doesn't anyone mention Primrose oil anymore. Primrose oil is supposed to be good for cholesterol,blood pressure,liver,and increasing appetite. I know that fruit is good for the liver. UMMM...Avacodo? The stuff they make guacamole out of. Why not eat that to help your liver? I'm not sure about that Milk Thistle stuff.
 
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Bros I've done a 75 mg abomb in the morn and a 75 mg a night. In addition, I was on 400 mg cyp and 300 ml e/w of deca. I grew, but kept the cycle short and used serious pct.

Not until the pct did I start to notice the gyno lol. The arim cleared that right up though.

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MANWHORE said:
Does anyone know if milk thistle even works while on AAS? A while ago,i heard it was bull.
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yes milk thistle works ... milk thistle helps protect the liver ... more or less, lessens possible damage to the liver, it does not prevent
 
MANWHORE said:
Adding test to Adrol isn't going to make Adrol any harsher on your body,then if taken Adrol alone.Yes,adding Aromatizing AAS to an Adrol stack will increase the risk of gyno from Adrol but that's just something those prone to it need to worry about. Test and Adrol are a great combo when looking for extreme mass. Leave the Winny for the runners
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i am sorry my friend but you are wrong. androgens are well known for aggravating progestarone when combined with anadrol. i never said you would get gyno. it simply elevates the risk of all progestagenic side effects. this includes gyno. and good luck stopping your progesterone gyno with typical ancillaries. they wont do a thing to combat progesterone.
 
drago1 said:
i am sorry my friend but you are wrong. androgens are well known for aggravating progestarone when combined with anadrol. i never said you would get gyno. it simply elevates the risk of all progestagenic side effects. this includes gyno. and good luck stopping your progesterone gyno with typical ancillaries. they wont do a thing to combat progesterone.
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I thought you were saying that Test is going to make Adrol harsh on your body,other than the Gyno. This all comes from Bill Roberts,who has never used aas before...If you have gyno problems than yes worry,but i don't know anyone who had problems when adding test to an adrol cycle,when they didn't have problems with test alone
 
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