How suppressive is primobolan compared to testosterone?

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How suppressive is primobolan compared to testosterone?

 

[Type-IIx]

How about we discuss steroid profiles, and the extraction methods used to make steroids.

Do.you want to have that conversation? How raws are made, and how you're parroting some bullshit from the Netherlands to dismiss these facts?


Do you want me to start posting pictures of tranbolone labs everywhere? Then we can discuss this?

I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. Besides discussing steroids here; are you trying to say that any of this applies to me?

 

[PCTAccount]

I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. Besides discussing steroids here; are you trying to say that any of this applies to me?

I'm assuming you're one of the idiots who still thinks steroids are made from rice and yams...

*Hint*


They like using those foods as a.slirry to feed their "laboratories"

It's okay though right, they put a primobolan label on it so you don't get shut down?




Right?
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[Type-IIx]

I'm assuming you're one of the idiots who still thinks steroids are made from rice and yams...

*Hint*


They like using those foods as a.slirry to feed their "laboratories"

It's okay though right, they put a primobolan label on it so you don't get shut down?




Right?
I

What?

 

[PCTAccount]

What?

Exactly.

 

[GuerillaPete]

I read it bro, thank you.

Instead of scanning it in order to highlight sections that try to prove PCT works (working backwards from my preconceived notion), I instead chose to read it in its entirety and take it for what it is (work forward from the evidence to move closer towards a conclusion).

They should have at least HPLC tested the AAS and pct drugs used…
Pct is good to NOT go from high levels on cycle to no levels off cycle.
Its a buffer so to say i would always use a pct if cycling drugs was my cup of tea.
Only way it does not make sense is if short cycles of fast esters and low dosages where used.
Good luck running 2 grams and quitting cold turkey without a pct to soften the landing.
But as long as people say good job to such shitty methods of conducting research why would it change?

 

[Type-IIx]

They should have at least HPLC tested the AAS and pct drugs used…
Pct is good to NOT go from high levels on cycle to no levels off cycle.
Its a buffer so to say i would always use a pct if cycling drugs was my cup of tea.
Only way it does not make sense is if short cycles of fast esters and low dosages where used.
Good luck running 2 grams and quitting cold turkey without a pct to soften the landing.
But as long as people say good job to such shitty methods of conducting research why would it change?

They did better than HPLC test the AAS, they used ultra-high-performance liquid chromatography coupled to quadrupole time-of-flight mass spectometry (UPLC-QTOF-MS/MS).

The results were abysmal with respect to product quality and veracity. Only 13% of AAS tested contained exclusively what was claimed on the label and 46% did not contain the stated contents at all but some other AAS (or multiple other AAS).

So, what?

Your method of PCT is "good" PCT, but their method of PCT is "bad," is it? What about your method makes it superior to theirs?

Go ahead and type up some ridiculous statement about how you think this has bearing on the results with respect to PCT vs. no-PCT being indistinguishable while I sit back and ignore the rest of your stupid comments on this topic, just like every other topic that you decide to ineptly wade into with gross idiocy and brazen arrogance.

 

[GuerillaPete]

They did better than HPLC test the AAS, they used ultra-high-performance liquid chromatography coupled to quadrupole time-of-flight mass spectometry (UPLC-QTOF-MS/MS).

The results were abysmal with respect to product quality and veracity. Only 13% of AAS tested contained exclusively what was claimed on the label and 46% did not contain the stated contents at all but some other AAS (or multiple other AAS).

So, what?

Your method of PCT is "good" PCT, but their method of PCT is "bad," is it? What about your method makes it superior to theirs?

Go ahead and type up some ridiculous statement about how you think this has bearing on the results with respect to PCT vs. no-PCT being indistinguishable while I sit back and ignore the rest of your stupid comments on this topic, just like every other topic that you decide to ineptly wade into with gross idiocy and brazen arrogance.

Well lets see what i don't like about the way they examined pct efficacy.
So they finished the cycle long ester and tested for recovery 3 months after the PCT right?
You don't see the problem there?
First month is when the esters clear the body basically you still have testosterone this is the time in the regular pct you should use the hcg 4 weeks.
Last week or after of the hcg you start your clomid and nolva that means you still have testosterone comparable to high trt levels.
This pct drugs clear in 3-4 weeks time you still have testosterone but in decline.
So the 3 month mark is the worse to measure recovery for people on pct as that is the time your body has to start making its own unstimulated by pct drugs LH and FSH.
You see where my problem is?
A correct way to measure effectiveness of pct vs non pct would be to measure how much time a person spends in low testosterone state( the suffering part)before recovery.
Also was this the study that concluded hcg did have no effect on testicular size contradicting every other study and person who ever used hcg?(fake pregnyl more than likely)
Also you say they knew drugs used where fake and did or published the study anyway ?
What bullshit

 

[GuerillaPete]

Well lets see what i don't like about the way they examined pct efficacy.
So they finished the cycle long ester and tested for recovery 3 months after the PCT right?
You don't see the problem there?
First month is when the esters clear the body basically you still have testosterone this is the time in the regular pct you should use the hcg 4 weeks.
Last week or after of the hcg you start your clomid and nolva that means you still have testosterone comparable to high trt levels.
This pct drugs clear in 3-4 weeks time you still have testosterone but in decline.
So the 3 month mark is the worse to measure recovery for people on pct as that is the time your body has to start making its own unstimulated by pct drugs LH and FSH.
You see where my problem is?
A correct way to measure effectiveness of pct vs non pct would be to measure how much time a person spends in low testosterone state( the suffering part)before recovery.
Also was this the study that concluded hcg did have no effect on testicular size contradicting every other study and person who ever used hcg?(fake pregnyl more than likely)
Also you say they knew drugs used where fake and did or published the study anyway ?
What bullshit

Just a small correction i made a mistake as i meant 3 months after the cycle finished and not 3 months after pct.
@Type-IIx

 

[trtbuilder]

I'm assuming you're one of the idiots who still thinks steroids are made from rice and yams...

*Hint*


They like using those foods as a.slirry to feed their "laboratories"

It's okay though right, they put a primobolan label on it so you don't get shut down?




Right?
I

Is the massive amount of disgusting food you're shoving in your gullet every day because of a lack of self-control causing you to have mental issues?

 

[GuerillaPete]

 

[Type-IIx]

Well lets see what i don't like about the way they examined pct efficacy.
So they finished the cycle long ester and tested for recovery 3 months after the PCT right?
You don't see the problem there?
First month is when the esters clear the body basically you still have testosterone this is the time in the regular pct you should use the hcg 4 weeks.
Last week or after of the hcg you start your clomid and nolva that means you still have testosterone comparable to high trt levels.
This pct drugs clear in 3-4 weeks time you still have testosterone but in decline.
So the 3 month mark is the worse to measure recovery for people on pct as that is the time your body has to start making its own unstimulated by pct drugs LH and FSH.
You see where my problem is?
A correct way to measure effectiveness of pct vs non pct would be to measure how much time a person spends in low testosterone state( the suffering part)before recovery.
Also was this the study that concluded hcg did have no effect on testicular size contradicting every other study and person who ever used hcg?(fake pregnyl more than likely)
Also you say they knew drugs used where fake and did or published the study anyway ?
What bullshit

Everyone was recovered by 3 mo you twat, that's the point. If 3 mo is the time when PCT users only start to recover, then you agree that PCT, if it does anything, actually slightly delays recovery.

Believe me when I tell you that you are too dumb to criticise research.

And so is Derek or whoever. And if you'd actually read the Peter Bond link about this that I shared and that you tried to cavalierly use to argue your point without actually reading, you'd see that he addresses all of your stupid rebuttals there.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Everyone was recovered by 3 mo you twat, that's the point. If 3 mo is the time when PCT users only start to recover, then you agree that PCT, if it does anything, actually slightly delays recovery.

Believe me when I tell you that you are too dumb to criticise research.

And so is Derek or whoever. And if you'd actually read the Peter Bond link about this that I shared and that you tried to cavalierly use to argue your point without actually reading, you'd see that he addresses all of your stupid rebuttals there.

You pretend to not get it to save face now?
If two cars go from NY to Chicago in the same time but one consumes half the fuel in your opinion they are the same?
The question in this case that you keep ignoring is does person A who does not use pct drugs spend more time with low testosterone levels until he is recovered or person B that uses pct drugs?
This should be measured starting when low T starts not when the cycle ends.
You just see numbers on a paper but miss the human element totally.
And miss the point why people use pct in the first place to spend less time in a low T state.
If time until recovery was the point you can avoid that by timing your cycle and esters differently.
But that is not the point it is the inevitable period spent with lowT and to minimize that and this study did not test for that and when you say pct is useless you totally miss the point why people do it.
You just see trees and can’t see the forest!
You can keep pretending and calling me what ever you want it does not bother me as you clearly act childish every time you are wrong.
I’m going to be the bigger man and give you some advice non the less and this is the end of this discussion.

Your ego is standing in the way of you becoming who you pretend to be.

Hope you understand and do better from now on.

 

[Type-IIx]

You pretend to not get it to save face now?
If two cars go from NY to Chicago in the same time but one consumes half the fuel in your opinion they are the same?
The question in this case that you keep ignoring is does person A who does not use pct drugs spend more time with low testosterone levels until he is recovered or person B that uses pct drugs?
This should be measured starting when low T starts not when the cycle ends.
You just see numbers on a paper but miss the human element totally.
And miss the point why people use pct in the first place to spend less time in a low T state.
If time until recovery was the point you can avoid that by timing your cycle and esters differently.
But that is not the point it is the inevitable period spent with lowT and to minimize that and this study did not test for that and when you say pct is useless you totally miss the point why people do it.
You just see trees and can’t see the forest!
You can keep pretending and calling me what ever you want it does not bother me as you clearly act childish every time you are wrong.
I’m going to be the bigger man and give you some advice non the less and this is the end of this discussion.

Your ego is standing in the way of you becoming who you pretend to be.

Hope you understand and do better from now on.

Are you now saying they should have measured before 3 mo? Why would they measure at the point of hypogonadism, that differs between drugs & doses, but since all of these doses and drugs used maximally stimulated hypogonadism, they all became totally suppressed by the first week anyway. Goddamnit you're so goddamn stupid bro.

 

[PCTAccount]

Is the massive amount of disgusting food you're shoving in your gullet every day because of a lack of self-control causing you to have mental issues?

Ground sirloin, low fat cheese, plenty of fresh vegetables.




"Disgusting"



Pick one....

Also, yes, I agree, I'm a superhuman genius. Now excuse me while I warmup with your dream one rep. My plates are very heavy valuable precious metals. My fives are worth more than your entire existence. Pure gold and other rare gems, minerals, and very expensive molecular weight structures.

Stay mad bro.

 

[trtbuilder]

Ground sirloin, low fat cheese, plenty of fresh vegetables.
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"Disgusting"



Pick one....

Also, yes, I agree, I'm a superhuman genius. Now excuse me while I warmup with your dream one rep. My plates are very heavy valuable precious metals. My fives are worth more than your entire existence. Pure gold and other rare gems, minerals, and very expensive molecular weight structures.

Stay mad bro.


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Impressive trolling. I'm glad you managed to find a way to eat good for the first time since you started logging! Maybe that gut will start shrinking.

 

[PCTAccount]

Are you now saying they should have measured before 3 mo? Why would they measure at the point of hypogonadism, that differs between drugs & doses, but since all of these doses and drugs used maximally stimulated hypogonadism, they all became totally suppressed by the first week anyway. Goddamnit you're so goddamn stupid bro.

 

[PCTAccount]

Impressive trolling. I'm glad you managed to find a way to eat good for the first time since you started logging! Maybe that gut will start shrinking.

"Gut"

 

[trtbuilder]

"Gut"


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Nice job sucking in, fattie.

Shame about all of the other photos you've posted.

 

[PCTAccount]

Impressive trolling. I'm glad you managed to find a way to eat good for the first time since you started logging! Maybe that gut will start shrinking.

That's a great physique you have in your avatar man. Thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us posted with any new progress pictures. I really like how perpendicular the two lines are.

 

[PCTAccount]

Nice job sucking in, fattie.

Shame about all of the other photos you've posted.

It's spelled "Fatih" there bud.