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[HPLC/MS] AP Test E + NPP

jackmeoff1 said:
Did he run the mass spec or did AP send this to him?
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jackmeoff1 said:
Also, did you ever get your 6 week bloods yet?
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AP sent it to him. We have stuff that was sent out of the same testing from members on this board. So at least now we have information to compare to when we get our independent results back.

No, I hope to have my bloods back today. Today is 3rd business day since I got the draw, so I hope they worked on it over the weekend and will have it for me today. I keep refreshing my email hoping it pops up lol
 
This means nothing to me. His gear is coming back low dosed. You know as well as I do bloodwork is definitive. Now of course if bloodwork came back 10× then yes I would believe.

Satisfactory MS/LC and low test numbers don't equate.....unless the brewer has no idea of what he's doing
 
dmt31 said:
AP sent it to him. We have stuff that was sent out of the same testing from members on this board. So at least now we have information to compare to when we get our independent results back.

No, I hope to have my bloods back today. Today is 3rd business day since I got the draw, so I hope they worked on it over the weekend and will have it for me today. I keep refreshing my email hoping it pops up lol
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Well it just lost all credibility IMO. If it would have been sent in by the reseller to double check his product I would have felt a little better about it, but coming straight from AP themselves of course it's going to be good.
You are right though this will give us something to compare to when we get the results from Doc. I know he has an amp of the Testobolin so we will just have to wait and see.
Hope your bloodwork results come in today. That will show the real story.
 
mghoward74 said:
This means nothing to me. His gear is coming back low dosed. You know as well as I do bloodwork is definitive. Now of course if bloodwork came back 10× then yes I would believe.

Satisfactory MS/LC and low test numbers don't equate.....unless the brewer has no idea of what he's doing
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I agree, I was just posting it so we have a record of AP's own testing to compare too. I don't think I said I believe those results, they're just interesting to see IMO.
 
Boilermech said:
Well it just lost all credibility IMO. If it would have been sent in by the reseller to double check his product I would have felt a little better about it, but coming straight from AP themselves of course it's going to be good.
You are right though this will give us something to compare to when we get the results from Doc. I know he has an amp of the Testobolin so we will just have to wait and see.
Hope your bloodwork results come in today. That will show the real story.
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It doesn't bother me that he sent his gear in for testing. All ugl should be doing that. Isn't that what we wanted in order to source on meso... (at least)
 
mghoward74 said:
It doesn't bother me that he sent his gear in for testing. All ugl should be doing that. Isn't that what we wanted in order to source on meso... (at least)
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dmt31 said:
I agree, I was just posting it so we have a record of AP's own testing to compare too. I don't think I said I believe those results, they're just interesting to see IMO.
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I'm agreeing with you. I know what you said
 
What's with the having only a BA standard? They also need test e and NPP standards to compare against their respective chromatograms. There's nothing that compares the test e or NPP spectra to the actual hormones.
 
mghoward74 said:
It doesn't bother me that he sent his gear in for testing. All ugl should be doing that. Isn't that what we wanted in order to source on meso... (at least)
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Don't get me wrong. I wish all UGL would have their products tested so they know what their selling and how to dose it. I just don't trust that they are having them tested properly. Just like Flenser just pointed out. That is why we have our own tests done.
 
flenser said:
What's with the having only a BA standard? They also need test e and NPP standards to compare against their respective chromatograms. There's nothing that compares the test e or NPP spectra to the actual hormones.
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That why I posted it. So we can figure out what we are looking at and how it is or isn't flawed... Thank you brother
 
mghoward74 said:
This means nothing to me. His gear is coming back low dosed. You know as well as I do bloodwork is definitive. Now of course if bloodwork came back 10× then yes I would believe.

Satisfactory MS/LC and low test numbers don't equate.....unless the brewer has no idea of what he's doing
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Not that I am defending AP but blood work is hardly "definitive". I have been on TRT for 3 yrs and have around 8 blood draws since being on TRT and not ONCE did I get a dose x10. Not even close. Dose x 7 at best and this is Pharma prescribed test. There is a lot of variables I think. A friend of mine on the same TRT gets numbers a little higher than mine.

One thing I have noticed is it is consistent. So being on TRT I have a baseline at least to compare UGL to.
 
jackmeoff1 said:
Not that I am defending AP but blood work is hardly "definitive". I have been on TRT for 3 yrs and have around 8 blood draws since being on TRT and not ONCE did I get a dose x10. Not even close. Dose x 7 at best and this is Pharma prescribed test.
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I'm usually in the 6x to 7x range on my TRT as well.
 
jackmeoff1 said:
Not that I am defending AP but blood work is hardly "definitive". I have been on TRT for 3 yrs and have around 8 blood draws since being on TRT and not ONCE did I get a dose x10. Not even close. Dose x 7 at best and this is Pharma prescribed test. There is a lot of variables I think. A friend of mine on the same TRT gets numbers a little higher than mine.

One thing I have noticed is it is consistent. So being on TRT I have a baseline at least to compare UGL to.
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Yes, I know this. We have all come to the conclusion that everyone is not going to get 10x. Scally even said it that although it's possible to get 10x...the norm is between 7x-10x.

It is possible to get 10x. There's a few meso members who posted bloodwork at 10x....
 
mghoward74 said:
Yes, I know this. We have all come to the conclusion that everyone is not going to get 10x. Scally even said it that although it's possible to get 10x...the norm is between 7x-10x.

It is possible to get 10x. There's a few meso members who posted bloodwork at 10x....
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So if 7-10 is the "norm" and mine comes back between 5-7x would you conclude that my doctor prescribed Trt is under dosed? Of course you wouldn't. But a UGL with those values we all pull the under dosed alarm.

It's just not fair.
 
jackmeoff1 said:
Not that I am defending AP but blood work is hardly "definitive". I have been on TRT for 3 yrs and have around 8 blood draws since being on TRT and not ONCE did I get a dose x10. Not even close. Dose x 7 at best and this is Pharma prescribed test. There is a lot of variables I think. A friend of mine on the same TRT gets numbers a little higher than mine.

One thing I have noticed is it is consistent. So being on TRT I have a baseline at least to compare UGL to.
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Do you take HCG and/or an AI with your TRT?
 
jackmeoff1 said:
So if 7-10 is the "norm" and mine comes back between 5-7x would you conclude that my doctor prescribed Trt is under dosed? Of course you wouldn't. But a UGL with those values we all pull the under dosed alarm.

It's just not fair.
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If you came back with low numbers on trt dose....wouldn't you think that's a problem?
 
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