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[jackmeoff1]

lolz thanks for the summary brah. like i said, anyone who has taken the time to read thus far and is open minded will see through. anyone who doesnt is just gonna be on jim's side anyway. it's very similar to religion, you can't change what they adamantly believe in.

now talk to me buddy

This is Nelson's web page:
http://www.excelmale.com/forum.php?s=ddd29cf51d681ca1ba0e3319b35a2dbf

There is a blood work section there that I like to read. You have to do some digging, but the one thing that is obvious is the variation is values from patient to patient.

You gave me a good idea to ask Nelson in his group. I am going to wait on that because I don't want someone to make the connection to this thread and my question in that group. For all legal purposes, you understand why I need this profile to be anonymous. You can sign up on Excel male and ask as well. I also use my full name on his website.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Doctor John Crisler (a real doctor, with a license) has a lot of good information on TRT too.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Could you just fb message vergel?

 

[jackmeoff1]

Could you just fb message vergel?

Yep I can surly do that. I can't guarantee he will get back to be though.

His FB group is Testosterone Replacement Therapy and Discussion. Blood work is posted there multiple times per day

 

[I_know_nothing]

Yep I can surly do that. I can't guarantee he will get back to be though.

His FB group is Testosterone Replacement Therapy and Discussion. Blood work is posted there multiple times per day

ah great info, his forum is good too. will deff have to check it out. may be on trt one day after all these sterons. what sub-forums do you recommend? and do you have to be a member of the fb group to see the bloods?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

i've addressed the chapter in the book that lightspan post- you ignored my post. you've also ignored by Bhasin et al 2012 post this entire time. any time i post any studies or say anything scientific you ignore it. let's not be hypocritical here CBS.

It would only be hypocritical if I addressed your criticisms while ignoring the fact that you are either posting under 3 or 4 alter egos or are part of a small cell that is working together.

I told you the other day that I would figure out who you are and what your agenda is, and I have now done that. I have enough evidence right now to make the case but I'm waiting for a few more bits and pieces to trickle in before taking it public. Stay tuned.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Doctor John Crisler (a real doctor, with a license) has a lot of good information on TRT too.

The convicted wife beater? Now I know you're a troll.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

For all legal purposes, you understand why I need this profile to be anonymous.

Believe me JerkingYourselfOff, you are NOT anonymous. Not by a long shot. LMFAO

 

[Moose]

Wow this thread had been an eye opener. A lot of deflection going on here. Aside from the obvious fact that data proving the 10x rule was not forthcoming, if the assertion that it only applies to those not taking an AI or HCG is IMO very crucial data that hasn't been disclosed previously and as a result a lot of guys have been believing in a fairy tale. I would like be proven wrong.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Aside from the obvious fact that data proving the 10x rule was not forthcoming,

Are you just slow or do you have a learning disability? JerkYourselfOff and KnowNothing have a valid reason (agenda) for not acknowledging the fact that the data WAS posted TWICE in this thread. What's yours?

I would like be proven wrong.

You have just been proven wrong. AGAIN.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Are you just slow or do you have a learning disability? JerkYourselfOff and KnowNothing have a valid reason (agenda) for not acknowledging the fact that the data WAS posted TWICE in this thread. What's yours?



You have just been proven wrong. AGAIN.

CBS, i have addressed the data already you want a link?

 

[jackmeoff1]

ah great info, his forum is good too. will deff have to check it out. may be on trt one day after all these sterons. what sub-forums do you recommend? and do you have to be a member of the fb group to see the bloods?

Yeah, you have to be a member of the group. His website "Excel male" has a blood work section. Understand tghough, a lot of guys on TRT are regular Joe's so you have to sometimes probe the important data elements out of them.

 

[I_know_nothing]

@CensoredBoardsSuck i've addressed the link you posted by reading through that chapter. would love to hear what you've got to say. would also love your opinion on Bhasin et al 2012 since you also refer to the 2001 study but ignore the 2012 study? both studies have the same lead investigator btw

 

[I_know_nothing]

Yeah, you have to be a member of the group. His website "Excel male" has a blood work section. Understand tghough, a lot of guys on TRT are regular Joe's so you have to sometimes probe the important data elements out of them.

yeah lol i saw that, kinda low TT levels. nothing on them, i just like my levels to be a bit higher

 

[jackmeoff1]

CBS, i have addressed the data already you want a link?

CBS has no contribution to this discussion. He is a beta to his leader. I wouldn't bother.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Haha yeah let's agree to stop responding to them unless they wanna talk science

How much do pay a month for trt?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

How much do pay a month for trt?

Why don't you two discuss that in person? Oh, wait! Then you couldn't stage a phony conversation in order to convince Meso that you're just two unbiased members who happened to meet online. Carry on.

 

[Big Mike]

Brothers I am a TRT patient myself and my clinic performs peak and nad blood tests. I have always been in the 9-10x range except for a few times when I was slightly over 11x at peak testing. My clinic uses Depo-Testosterone only.


Big Mike

 

[I_know_nothing]

Brothers I am a TRT patient myself and my clinic performs peak and nad blood tests. I have always been in the 9-10x range except for a few times when I was slightly over 11x at peak testing. My clinic uses Depo-Testosterone only.


Big Mike

thanks for the data point brother. do you know of anyone else in the clinic or others friends who are on TRT? more data points are always helpful

i have no doubts that some patients on TRT receive 8-10x, even up to 12x blood TT levels. my doubts only lie in the fact that the hard 10x rule brother. im not a big fan of absolutes.

 

[Big Mike]

thanks for the data point brother. do you know of anyone else in the clinic or others friends who are on TRT? more data points are always helpful

i have no doubts that some patients on TRT receive 8-10x, even up to 12x blood TT levels. my doubts only lie in the fact that the hard 10x rule brother. im not a big fan of absolutes.

No sorry, I specifically chose a clinic where my friends and coworkers didnt go.


Big Mike