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Stretch,
I value your opinion, however as you well know, I too disagree with this statement. Which members has been scammed? I love to hear this. It means that members are doing a great job of keeping shill and sharks at bay.
This topic keeps getting reiterated in new forms. The truth is, many of us have been burned. I'm not talking small orders either. Maybe you haven't, and that's good. Still, I am not willing to stand by in the shadows and let it happen to others... and if they don't get burn... guess what? We have a new source. If they do, fuck they were noobs anyways... send the soliders in the trenches to do the dirty work.
Sorry, not on my watch.
I dont see what part of it you disagree with? All I said is that some noobs try to ingratiate themselves to veteran members through flaming sources, its a predominate attitude around here. I stated the result is a good thing, I think we probably mostly agree. The actions of the noobs I was referring to shouldnt detract from the actions of those newer members who have been burnt and are crusading.
Go look at my first posts here and you will see why I love meso, and why I've made this my home board when there are many places where I am just a member. I was scammed too.
I reread your post, having misread some parts of it. We are mostly in agreement. My apologies.
I feel the approach on dealing with new UGL's here is dealing with them in a way that the reasoning is driven by the desired out come. "The new UGL is a scammer."
FACT: UGLs come and go regardless if they are "good" or not.
So, by chasing the new UGLs away eventually in time you are left with nothing...
You don't like that, eh? Too fucking bad. Meso isn't censored to protect scamming sources like that scammer board, promuscle that your buddy rajin mods for. Like I said, when I see a shill, I call it as I see it and will continue to do so.
Yeah, so. What's your point?
Censroutinelys985sources you're saying makes sense except the number of sources that have a presence on Meso continues to grow. It's true Meso will quickly drive off new sources just lookisourcepee they're the ones that are the most likely to scam said:For years...no source made it here. Until SF did. Now others have ridden the coattails. IMO.
What changed? Did reputable sources just recently fabricate themselves?
No. MESO changed. Evolved. I watched it happen.
Go and read this thread from the beginning. No one was flaming this source before one well respected vet started...then everyone piled on.
How do you guys NOT see that?
Hercules has reviews from vets...
GetM got early reviews from vets
Humana got early reviews from vets
All three also had small post noobs comment on them....
one got flamed....show me the logic here?
Go and read this thread from the beginning. No one was flaming this source before one well respected vet started...then everyone piled on.
How do you guys NOT see that?
Hercules has reviews from vets...
GetM got early reviews from vets
Humana got early reviews from vets
All three also had small post noobs comment on them....
one got flamed....show me the logic here?
And you dont feel the attitude of the thread changed after BB posted?
While I agree with most of this I see a certain precipice thats unavoidable in the circular reasoning that this board has acquired.
I feel the approach on dealing with new UGL's here is dealing with them in a way that the reasoning is driven by the desired out come. "The new UGL is a scammer."
FACT: UGLs come and go regardless if they are "good" or not.
So, by chasing the new UGLs away eventually in time you are left with nothing...now youre left visiting "censor boards" looking for for a source. Leaving the highest probability you will be scammed.
ANSWER: Its the nature of the beast...you have to give the UGL the opportunity to either provide the service in a fair manner of rip you off...welcome to the reality of the industry.
Bottom line, you give them a chance or eventually youre left with nothing.
Obviously there are things the UGL can do to minimize the risk to members here to prove themselves. i.e. Let vets try some of their products for review, no minimum orders (maybe just initially), handle themselves professionally and stay active in their communications with members.
Millard has a unique experiment going that is unlike other forums...time will tell.
No, the attitude changed after Thumbs the Shill posted - especially because he was so belligerent. I can't believe we're even discussing this - you're too smart for this bullshit, Stretch.
Go look at the getm thread. When shills posted he got called for it and they stopped. That ended the hostility. It's not rocket science.
And you dont feel the attitude of the thread changed after BB posted?
And of course I dont have a problem with BBs post.
I know I sound like a broken record....but..... What happens on the other boards when a vet does the opposite, and endorses a lab/source? IMHO usually a great big source loving circle jerk.
Ya'll are Ralph Nader right now, I want us to be Clinton.
Couldn't agree more. As I said earlier.
Why is me saying that IMO things could improve even more here...Being heard by you guys as:: "Things suck here, and I want eroids"
I just dont get it. I am not disagreeing with how things were handled in this case specifically. But the general attitude here, is overly cynical IMO. Which I already have said is better than the alternative, but it is a system which I believe could be improved, by becoming SLIGHTLY more moderate. Thats all. Apparently I am not conveying myself clearly, because everyone is misinterpreting me, the problem isnt with everyone else, apologies for that.
Ya'll are Ralph Nader right now, I want us to be Clinton.
