Humana life group

[Pericles]

Be careful what you wish for. Chase, until I blocked him, would ask continuously if I would like to do some 1 on 1 posing, and train naked together.

It got so bad I had to put him on iggy.

 

[Kamala]

Bro. I know this statement seems to make sense to you.

But think about it, that vial of TEST for a 100% markup over his production costs....meaning he will double his money....the final price after markup would be $3-$5. So it is completely possible for him to sell as cheaply as he is. But why would? I dunno. I agree it seems weird.

Truth^^^^^^^^


The markups are so damn high I have no idea why some guys cut corners like underdosing, shorting vials or using corn oil.......... Up here a 10ml of test E is anywhere from $55 to $80........ a new lab starts selling for $17 and everybody thinks its too good to be true, but the person behind it is still making a killing..... Tren E up here is usually $100-110 for a 10 ml, the extra $5 worth of powder adds another $30 to the final cost, its outrageous, Ace is even worse because its usually dosed @ 100/ml and it costs the same.

 

[Kamala]

If we can return to Ben's statement, I would like to follow up w/ some related commentary.

Most "labs," or at least ones that are initially successful usually follow a fairly similar pattern.

When they start, they provide a good product at a good price. They have someone trusted repping their product on the various boards. The rep does a good job, numerous people get great results from well priced gear, and the "lab" becomes a financial success.

Then, things change. The people affiliated w/ the :lab" become arrogant and disrespectful. Products are still good however, so the arrogance does not harm the bottom line too much. What is affected, are their prices.They shoot up. By this time the "lab" is still doing well financially, and the price increases don't harm the bottom line.

By this point,the "lab" develops a "fuck you" attitude towards any and all criticism.

This fact is especially true in regards to the "little people" who helped make the lab successful in the first place. The great cs is long gone. I have seen this^ happen many, many times, in fact it is happening to an emerging "lab" right now. The gear is excellent. I was talking it up amongst the hard core guys that train alongside w/ me, the fabulous 3 day t/a, the excellent quality of the very well priced products, etc. I was excited. Unfortunately, this source characterized me as something I am not going to discuss at the public level. The characterization was true, lol, but my concern is that it is likely to affect the business side of our relationship (as to why, see above pattern).

I convinced all my gym mates that they should use this source because the quality is top notch, and that the prices were better than what they were paying.

Unfortunately, it is clear that I will not be able to back up my promises.

Good post, seen it happen more than once...... The lab I've been using for the last year or so is now having issues, when I contacted the rep he tried to play it off like there'd been no issues...... He went good for it, but same thing to big too fast and quality isn't what it was before.

 

[skofan]

Wow, youre like the Rain Man of assumptions.

FYI, I have both the cojones and the cash to step up to the plate and take a swing...

Placed order, good communication, great turn around time and product looks good...product review to come.

See thats the part where you SHOULD think, cool, this is heading in a positive direction, and I didnt even have to do any of the work...

So, 1. I havent flip flopped on shit.
2. Bad pussy smells fishy. Youre being redundant.

PERICLES, SO youre saying a lab can start off good then go bad? Thank you for the deep insite bro. [)]

nope chase, youve been positive from the start, just threw you in there because you seemed to have ordered at the same time as cbh. anyway stuff still doesnt sit right with me, but i see that im outnumbered, and apparantly noone else sees it like that. so ill leave the thread and try to pretend it wasnt here.

 

[ChaseQ]

Good post, seen it happen more than once...... The lab I've been using for the last year or so is now having issues, when I contacted the rep he tried to play it off like there'd been no issues...... He went good for it, but same thing to big too fast and quality isn't what it was before.

I would say this is the case every single time given enough time. Doing this little dance as long as I have I would say the average life expectancy is about one year on average. (Some longer, some certainty shorter, but my experience is about 1 year on average.)

I would be curious what some of the old timers would say their OVER ALL average life span of UGLs they have used has been.

So again, my take on, "they start off good then go south" is, ya no shit give it enough time and they all do.

 

[ChaseQ]

Truth^^^^^^^^


The markups are so damn high I have no idea why some guys cut corners like underdosing, shorting vials or using corn oil.......... Up here a 10ml of test E is anywhere from $55 to $80........ a new lab starts selling for $17 and everybody thinks its too good to be true, but the person behind it is still making a killing..... Tren E up here is usually $100-110 for a 10 ml, the extra $5 worth of powder adds another $30 to the final cost, its outrageous, Ace is even worse because its usually dosed @ 100/ml and it costs the same.

Absolutely!

Look up powder cost, do a little math and you're sitting around $5 a bottle to manufacture. Even less you get a good deal on powders.

So, $17 a bottle, say $7 in costs...min order of $150, making around $100 profit per order, taking 10-20 orders a day...

Look at that, making $1000-$2000 a DAY...I say that's not a bad income.

Certainly enough to ship legit shit and give some solid customer service.

 

[ChaseQ]

nope chase, youve been positive from the start, just threw you in there because you seemed to have ordered at the same time as cbh. anyway stuff still doesnt sit right with me, but i see that im outnumbered, and apparantly noone else sees it like that. so ill leave the thread and try to pretend it wasnt here.

"Paranoia is just a heightened sense of awareness" -John Lennon

No prob bro. Stay skeptical, it will keep money in your pocket in the long run.

I didn't get my shit for free and had to spend enough to get a minimum order in.
(I've been offered to rep/take freebees in the past from ugls but have never done it. I think my history here clearly shows that.)

My reason for giving these guys a try was due to the fact I'm of the opinion we might benefit in the long run by giving some well researched labs a stab. So, I figured, fuck it and put my money where my mouth is.



So far I would say everything is good, but the true test(pun intended) will be when I run their stuff...

 

[Pericles]

Yes, margins are high, but we have not factored in the greatest potential cost, getting busted. First, your raws must make it in from China. That is a very significant risk. Then on the domestic side you take another risk.

I agree 100% that there is really no reason for cutting corners. With a well made product your prices should be about 6 times the cost to make, so if it costs $5, you are more than reasonable to get $30.

In any event, I think I might jump on the $17 train.

 

[biggerben69]

The lower the prices and the more available gear becomes to the average guy that just jumped on the web the closer we are, IMO, to the next "Operation Gear Grinder" and "Operation Raw Deal".
Simple laws of economics. The market will correct itself. I remember my first on line "source"(a supposed group/company) was mexrxonline.com QV testE 250 was $25. The rest of the QV line up was in synch and relatively priced. This was 2003 or so.
Older sources are getting ready to bunker down and are keeping a low profile.
When the Feds decide to unleash their fury, the sources with their heads exposed are gonna get fucking cracked....along with their customers. History has a way of repeating itself.
These fucking Thaigersucks and the rest will tell you not to worry. They NEED your money. I still can't get over how some of these LOPS show u and tell a fucking story and expect credibility. There's so much more to being a legit source than actually having legit product to ship.
Security for themselves and for their customers is paramount. You may have to send a WU to China the first couple of orders you make to build trust. THE SOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND AND TAUGHT DO THIS. To request a moneypak for payment from a brand new customer is a sign the "SOURCE" is a know nothing in this for the quick hit and if they have shiity timing will be fucked.
Who's gonna say I'm wrong? Thaigerweaksuck? Herc? SF? Some are ignorant and believe it won't happen to them. I hope it doesn't......but know this, it's gonna happen to some of us. GUARANTEED.

 

[Kamala]

The lower the prices and the more available gear becomes to the average guy that just jumped on the web the closer we are, IMO, to the next "Operation Gear Grinder" and "Operation Raw Deal".
Simple laws of economics. The market will correct itself. I remember my first on line "source"(a supposed group/company) was mexrxonline.com QV testE 250 was $25. The rest of the QV line up was in synch and relatively priced. This was 2003 or so.
Older sources are getting ready to bunker down and are keeping a low profile.
When the Feds decide to unleash their fury, the sources with their heads exposed are gonna get fucking cracked....along with their customers. History has a way of repeating itself.
These fucking Thaigersucks and the rest will tell you not to worry. They NEED your money. I still can't get over how some of these LOPS show u and tell a fucking story and expect credibility. There's so much more to being a legit source than actually having legit product to ship.
Security for themselves and for their customers is paramount. You may have to send a WU to China the first couple of orders you make to build trust. THE SOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND AND TAUGHT DO THIS. To request a moneypak for payment from a brand new customer is a sign the "SOURCE" is a know nothing in this for the quick hit and if they have shiity timing will be fucked.
Who's gonna say I'm wrong? Thaigerweaksuck? Herc? SF? Some are ignorant and believe it won't happen to them. I hope it doesn't......but know this, it's gonna happen to some of us. GUARANTEED.

I believe you, honestly I don't know how it hasn't happened already........ When I first started going around the boards about 4 years ago, there was NO open sourcing in Canada....... I was around for a year before someone finally helped me out...... Now there's guys advertising websites that are .ca, multiple open source boards, its just a wide open free for all and 99% of these guys are on the same security level as Z's cronies.

 

[Kamala]

Yes, margins are high, but we have not factored in the greatest potential cost, getting busted. First, your raws must make it in from China. That is a very significant risk. Then on the domestic side you take another risk.

I agree 100% that there is really no reason for cutting corners. With a well made product your prices should be about 6 times the cost to make, so if it costs $5, you are more than reasonable to get $30.

In any event, I think I might jump on the $17 train.

Damn I wish it was $30 up here lol....... They're making $100 on a vial of tren up here.

 

[Pericles]

Damn I wish it was $30 up here lol....... They're making $100 on a vial of tren up here.

I thought you were referencing a gym price. Of course gym prices are higher. Lets say someone purchased from an online source. First, they risk getting scammed. Then they risk delivery to their home. I was referencing prices for test acquired this^ way. $30-40, closer to $40 is what a re-seller would pay, once all shipping and WU type fees are factored in. Then he would sell to a gym buddy for $65.

Of course tren is more expensive, usually $50 for 10ml, 100mg acetate. By the time it is re-sold in the gym it will go for $85 or so.

To be clear, I do not do any of ^this. Most of the hardcore guys in my neck of the woods are buying from local labs/sources. They get their test for around $50-55, tren for around $65-70.

 

[Kamala]

I thought you were referencing a gym price. Of course gym prices are higher. Lets say someone purchased from an online source. First, they risk getting scammed. Then they risk delivery to their home. I was referencing prices for test acquired this^ way. $30-40, closer to $40 is what a re-seller would pay, once all shipping and WU type fees are factored in. Then he would sell to a gym buddy for $65.

Of course tren is more expensive, usually $50 for 10ml, 100mg acetate. By the time it is re-sold in the gym it will go for $85 or so.

To be clear, I do not do any of ^this. Most of the hardcore guys in my neck of the woods are buying from local labs/sources. They get their test for around $50-55, tren for around $65-70.

Gym price? I know a guy that is paying $140 for a 10 ml of Sustanon..... I offered to give him a reference, but its the only gear he's ever used and he's happy with it

You guys have it pretty good.

 

[MythotiK]

They are GTG

 

[Pericles]

I take back what I said about you being smart.

Clinton is one of only 2 Presidents that have balanced the budget in the last 42 years.

I think he deserved the blow job (although I would have picked someone hotter than ML). Our massive deficit is the greatest problem our country is facing. It is currently $55k for every person in this country. The Chinese will not finance it much longer.

Of course Congress is more interested in finding out which base ball player used steroids.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

They are GTG

Did you try them?

 

[Stretch]

Clinton is one of only 2 Presidents that have balanced the budget in the last 42 years.

I think he deserved the blow job (although I would have picked someone hotter than ML). Our massive deficit is the greatest problem our country is facing. It is currently $55k for every person in this country. The Chinese will not finance it much longer.

Of course Congress is more interested in finding out which base ball player used steroids.

My best friend. (The one who had "pinet buter" on his grocery list) could have balanced the budget in the 90s. We were inflating the bubble.

Clinton reaped the rewards of reaganomics...

 

[Singularity]

Clinton reaped the rewards of reaganomics...

Indeed!

 

[MythotiK]

Did you try them?

10-4skin

 

[Stretch]

10-4skin

How long ago? What did you try?