I am on HRT with DIM...

[SWALE]

I'm bumping this for myself.

 

[forex]

I'm bumping this for myself.

I may seem ignorant to some, however what does that mean or what does it do when one Bumps?

 

[smitty4]

I may seem ignorant to some, however what does that mean or what does it do when one Bumps?

The threads with the most recent replies are listed at the top of the list. Bumping means that you just want to move the thead back up near the top.

 

[forex]

Thank you.

 

[specster]

DIM Dose and uses

Hi,

What doese of DIM are you guys using?

Is anyone using it w/o HRT?

Is`there any evidence it helps, alone, in some cases of ED?

 

[JustOne]

Bumpidy bump!

 

[pmgamer18]

I don't use Indolplex/DIM anymore at the time I was using it my total and free T levels were low about 600 for total T using my labs range of 262 to 1593 I was on gels and had such bad joint and muscle pain I could hardly walk. When I swithed to shots and added HCG my levels doubled and the Indolplex/DIM at one tablet a day did not keep my E2 down. I tried doing 2 tablets and it made me sick to my stomach. So we stayed on the Indolplex/DIM and added Arimidex to keep my E2 down. My Dr. felt this was the best of both worlds. As it turns out it is not I started getting bad rashs on my body that you did not dare to scartch the skin turned into raw meat. So I dropped the Indolplex/DIM. After reading this I am reminded about the use of HCG and that if your doing more then your testis can handle it turns into E2. My doing shots every 3 days and the 2 days each in between of 400 IU's maybe to much for my Testis and is why I am having such a big problem with E2. We have tried to low the T dose to stop the E2 and I sore joints and muscles and bad fatigue again. I remember telling my Dr. about the fact of doing more HCG then the testis can handle and he felt no. I am going to put this to him when I see him in 2 weeks and cut this HCG back to 250 IUs.

 

[Normandy]

Re: The Importance of Bioavailability

The two articles above both overlook (perhaps deliberately?) the concept of bioavailability. Many, if not most, of the studies cites are in vitro (i.e., in a test tube) or injections (directly into the blood). When taken orally as supplements, IC3 and DIM are digested in the stomach before they ever get to the bloodstream to impact E2. Zeligs' patented formulation allows DIM to survive the digestion process and make its way into the bloodstream.

But the proof is in the pudding. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

Also, as the second article points out, DIM is *NOT* an antiaromatase. DIM stimulates the P450 system in the liver to break down E2 into more benign (and cancer protective) estrogen metabolites. DIM reduces E2 via a completely different means than AIs.

Does anyone know DavidZ personally? Or know where he posts these days if anywhere? I'd be great if someone can convince him to come back to this board. He was a good addition.



-- Normandy

 

[pmgamer18]

Re: The Importance of Bioavailability

Does anyone know DavidZ personally? Or know where he posts these days if anywhere? I'd be great if someone can convince him to come back to this board. He was a good addition.



-- Normandy

Yes it would be nice I have not heard from him in a long time he was kicked off this site.