I need some advice about my E control...

[jefthro]

My E is not out of range but is still high. It was 49 (0-55).

As many of you know my doc increased my t dose from 100 then 150 then 200mg a week.

My t did not seem to move up much untill the doc got me to 150mgs ew. The 150mg ew put my t at 700ish but my doc really wants me in the upper 800's to lower 900's range. And so do I because I believe I'll feel better at that range because of my past blood work that I had done over the years. My natural t levels was almost always in the mid-800's range before I started having problems...

Well, now that I'm at 200mg ew my levels are at the top of the range 905 (300-1000) and I'm good with that except my E is also up and I'm starting to see some of the symptoms high E....

I know that the gut is usually the first place you gain and the last place you lose but its been alot longer than it should have taken for the belly fat to leave.....I don't know that much about this but I've read alot of post on here and everyone seems to think that extra fat gain in chest areas is usually caused by high E..........Especially since I did'nt have it before the high E......not to mention my libido has fallen off since the upped dose of t.

We tried dropping the dose..........my E fell back down to mid 30's but my t fell also and I did'nt feel very well. My libido was better..... not great.... but better.

Problem:

My doc does not treat men for E eventhough he treats them for t.......lol...I don't understand that.

Question:

What should I take for my E thats over the counter?

BTW, I picked up some DIM (by Source Naturals) at valley health foods (a mom/pop health food store).

The ingredients:

One Tablet contains:
Vitamin E (as vitamin E succinate).............50 IU
Diindolylmethane (DIM)...............................100MG
Phosphatidyl Choline...................................25mg
Black Pepper Fruit Extract (BioPerine).......3mg

Other ingredients:
microcrystaline cellulose, magnesium sterate, colloidal silicon dioxide, and stearic acid.


Thanks!!

 

[jefthro]

Bump.......

Is there anything that will help with high E that is otc..........or am I looking for something that is'nt there?
I really like my current doc. He does good job at trt other that the fact he does not treat peeps for high E......

If I have to I'll search out yet another doc...........man.....this trt thing is really starting to suck...

 

[Fowl]

Just buy some Aromasin off a research website like CEM-MESO.com

I'm on 200mgs test/week + 250IU HCG ED and I take 25mg Aromasin ED and it keeps E2 in check very well. You don't want to crush E2 though as it is necessary for many vital functions including sex drive. I like to have some estro specifically for the joint lubing benefits of the water retention.

 

[Fit4Life05]

Just buy some Aromasin off a research website like CEM-MESO.com

I'm on 200mgs test/week + 250IU HCG ED and I take 25mg Aromasin ED and it keeps E2 in check very well. You don't want to crush E2 though as it is necessary for many vital functions including sex drive. I like to have some estro specifically for the joint lubing benefits of the water retention.

any reason that you choose aromasin over arimidex ?

 

[jimmy]

Taking testosterone, there is no way to make it exactly like you once produce. You need arimidex. Get it down below 30 would be good

 

[Fowl]

any reason that you choose aromasin over arimidex ?

suicide inhibitor

 

[stumpy40]

suicide inhibitor

Could you explain? I need to order some also...why the diff. suggestion?

 

[Fowl]

Lifted from elsewhere...

Aromasin is a steroidal aromatase inactivator used to lower circulating estrogen. It was developed to help fight breast cancer as estrogen plays a role in the growth of cancer cells. Aromasin binds irreversibly to the aromatase enzyme. This suppresses the conversion of androgens into estrogen. Circulating estrogen can be reduced by nearly 85% in women using Aromasin. A common misconception is that aromatase inhibition is similar in men than women. However in trials when males were administered 25mg of Aromasin daily maximal estradiol suppression of 62 ± 14% was observed at 12 hours. Aromasin acts as a false substrate for the aromatase enzyme, and is processed to an intermediate that binds irreversibly to the active site of the enzyme causing its inactivation, an effect also known as "suicide inhibition." In other words, Exemestane, by being structurally similar to the target of the enzymes, permanently binds to those enzymes, thereby preventing them from ever completing their task of converting androgens into estrogens. When we compare this mode of action against other AI’s the benefit becomes clear. Arimidex can unbind from the aromatase enzyme when you stop taking it but Aromasin will not therefore there is less chance of estrogen rebound with Aromasin.

Aromasin can be employed during a steroid cycle when aromatizing compounds such as testosterone are administered in order to control estrogen from getting out of control. During the course of a typical steroid cycle estrogen can rise quite high. Estrogen has been measured as much as 7 times higher than normal in men on steroids. This is excessive and can potentially cause water retention, gynecomastia (the formation of female breast tissue) or benign prostatic hyperplasia. Therefore in order to avoid these side effects estrogen must be controlled.

 

[Chris.N]

I would go with Arminidex as well.