I want to start HGH But I am Scared (Blood Tests Included)

[X-BODY]

Hello,
I want to start using HGH (2 iu/day) in my PCT for fat loss and for my next cycle. My father beat prostate cancer and i really freak out about cancer I did add (and translate to Eng.) my PRE Cycle blood tests in the attachment. SO i think i dont have a cancer But, do i need another tests before start to HGH or am i overthinking this????????
NOTE: Im 32 years old M

 

[fodsod]

If you have a genetic predisposition to cancer then it's not worth the risk. Running 2iu a day is not going to give you much in the way of changing your look and if there's any chance it'll assist or contribute to a cancer then just go a different route.

Honestly, there is no look that HGH can give that would be worth your life or having to have your prostate removed and never be able to have a normal sex life again.

 

[Dr JIM]

If the thought of using rHGH or any other PED causes you to "freak out" bc of the potential for adverse effects, CA or otherwise, DONT USE IT!

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

People keep talking about HGH use for fat loss, isn't a clean diet, Clen and T3 just as effective? It's also cheaper and I would think that you see faster results.
Right?

Frank

 

[Docd187123]

People keep talking about HGH use for fat loss, isn't a clean diet, Clen and T3 just as effective? It's also cheaper and I would think that you see faster results.
Right?

Frank

Clen is not as effective no. And with T3 you lose muscle while losing fat.

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

Clen is not as effective no. And with T3 you lose muscle while losing fat.

Gotcha...unless you're still on some strong AAS.
But I get your point and why ppl would use HGH for fat loss.

Thanks
Frank

 

[MrRippedZilla]

People keep talking about HGH use for fat loss, isn't a clean diet, Clen and T3 just as effective? It's also cheaper and I would think that you see faster results.
Right?

Frank

I'd disagree with Doc on this and say that your correct on all points.

HGH takes months to do anything noteworthy for fat loss (or bodyrecomp in general) and that makes it useless when we're talking about a straight up cut.
Clen on the other hand gets to work immediately, can work for the medium term with the use of ketotifen to delay beta receptor downregulation, and has a strong synergistic effect with T3 (even when the T3 is dosed at replacement levels since your natural output will take a hit when dieting anyway).

So yes, its more efficient in every way.

 

[Wunderpus]

I'd disagree with Doc on this and say that your correct on all points.

HGH takes months to do anything noteworthy for fat loss (or bodyrecomp in general) and that makes it useless when we're talking about a straight up cut.
Clen on the other hand gets to work immediately, can work for the medium term with the use of ketotifen to delay beta receptor downregulation, and has a strong synergistic effect with T3 (even when the T3 is dosed at replacement levels since your natural output will take a hit when dieting anyway).

So yes, its more efficient in every way.

I've never found a better muscle sparing and fat burning drug than GH.... All others WILL cause catabolism to varying degrees... So, GH is truly the superior product for maintaining muscle and burning fat.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

I've never found a better muscle sparing and fat burning drug than GH.... All others WILL cause catabolism to varying degrees... So, GH is truly the superior product for maintaining muscle and burning fat.

Superior in your experience, not in mine.

The data shows that exogenous GH use that leads to super physiological levels doesn't contribute to muscle growth, maintenance or anything in between for healthy individuals (no one gets huge on GH only cycles) BUT anecdotally we know it has a strong synergistic effect with AAS, insulin, etc.

The idea that a drug can be a great fat burner when it takes months to do anything noticeable simply doesn't hold up. The time frame plays a MASSIVE role in whether or not something is/isn't effective in this specific context.
You want to preserve mass? That's what AAS is for.

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

Superior in your experience, not in mine.

The data shows that exogenous GH use that leads to super physiological levels doesn't contribute to muscle growth, maintenance or anything in between for healthy individuals (no one gets huge on GH only cycles) BUT anecdotally we know it has a strong synergistic effect with AAS, insulin, etc.

The idea that a drug can be a great fat burner when it takes months to do anything noticeable simply doesn't hold up. The time frame plays a MASSIVE role in whether or not something is/isn't effective in this specific context.
You want to preserve mass? That's what AAS is for.

So is it safe to say that if I'm using Clen, T3, Ketotifen and either Tren or Test at a good level, my chances of losing muscle is lessen and I'll see faster results?

Frank

 

[MrRippedZilla]

So is it safe to say that if I'm using Clen, T3, Ketotifen and either Tren or Test at a good level, my chances of losing muscle is lessen and I'll see faster results?

Frank

Lol yes - I bet you'll save a heck of a lot of cash in the process too

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

Lol yes - I bet you'll save a heck of a lot of cash in the process too

Thanks...and yea, if you use pharma grade, you're out a lot of cash.

Frank

 

[Wunderpus]

Superior in your experience, not in mine.

The data shows that exogenous GH use that leads to super physiological levels doesn't contribute to muscle growth, maintenance or anything in between for healthy individuals (no one gets huge on GH only cycles) BUT anecdotally we know it has a strong synergistic effect with AAS, insulin, etc.

The idea that a drug can be a great fat burner when it takes months to do anything noticeable simply doesn't hold up. The time frame plays a MASSIVE role in whether or not something is/isn't effective in this specific context.
You want to preserve mass? That's what AAS is for.

The time really isn't as big of a factor as you appear to believe it is. Maybe people plan out months in advance, and we weren't even discussing a time frame from what I can tell.

Your experiences, compared to mine, are more or less irrelevant. I have no idea the dosage or quality of your GH, your training level, diet, experience, other drugs stacked with it etc. All I know are my personal experiences. Even with AAS, T3 WILL eat at muscle, it WILL. Do the anti-catabolic effects of drugs like trenbolone help mitigate that? Yes.

So, sure, if time is your biggest factor or maybe price, other drugs might give you more bang for your buck. But, in my experience - and many others - GH will work better in the long run for preserving mass and losing fat. Also, GH can possibly increase lean muscle mass while burning fat, no AAS as far as I know really can hold a candle to that.

 

[Wunderpus]

So is it safe to say that if I'm using Clen, T3, Ketotifen and either Tren or Test at a good level, my chances of losing muscle is lessen and I'll see faster results?

Frank

Make sure you taper the clen and T3 if you're going to go this route. There is nothing wrong with this stack, you should lean out quickly. But, you WILL lose some muscle, you will. Now, it may seem even more profound than it actually is because you will be losing body weight all together, and you may look smaller. Remember, in a deficit/cut, keep your protein HIGH. Always taper yourT3 DOWN too, not just up, you don't want to rebound.

 

[Docd187123]

Make sure you taper the clen and T3 if you're going to go this route. There is nothing wrong with this stack, you should lean out quickly. But, you WILL lose some muscle, you will. Now, it may seem even more profound than it actually is because you will be losing body weight all together, and you may look smaller. Remember, in a deficit/cut, keep your protein HIGH. Always taper yourT3 DOWN too, not just up, you don't want to rebound.

There's no reason to taper T3. There is no rebound. The thyroid generally can recover in 2wks or less time

 

[Wunderpus]

There's no reason to taper T3. There is no rebound. The thyroid generally can recover in 2wks or less time

I didn't taper down once, had a huge rebound. Unrelated? Maybe. Either way, after that, I always taper down to natural-ish levels... I've seen it WAY worse in girls. It could be correlated to the fact they probably cheat a lot post contest, IDK. But, I can't imagine it HURTS to taper down.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

The time really isn't as big of a factor as you appear to believe it is. Maybe people plan out months in advance, and we weren't even discussing a time frame from what I can tell.

Your experiences, compared to mine, are more or less irrelevant. I have no idea the dosage or quality of your GH, your training level, diet, experience, other drugs stacked with it etc. All I know are my personal experiences. Even with AAS, T3 WILL eat at muscle, it WILL. Do the anti-catabolic effects of drugs like trenbolone help mitigate that? Yes.

So, sure, if time is your biggest factor or maybe price, other drugs might give you more bang for your buck. But, in my experience - and many others - GH will work better in the long run for preserving mass and losing fat. Also, GH can possibly increase lean muscle mass while burning fat, no AAS as far as I know really can hold a candle to that.

Yea...I think you fail to understand exactly what makes a "great" fat burner.
Time is a MASSIVE factor as evidenced by the fact that many drugs never make it out of the research stage due to the fact that the results simply take too long to show themselves. So yes, a drug cannot be classified as a "great" fat burner if the results are too slow - not my opinion, that's a fact.

You realize that I only gave my experience due to the fact that you used your experience to support GH right?
You can say both are equally relevant or irrelevant - none of this cherry picking BS.

T3 at a replacement dose does not eat muscle - especially on AAS.

Again, your confusing GH + AAS vs GH alone. GH alone cannot build muscle by itself, this has been established for years:
Effects of growth hormone on skeletal muscle. - PubMed - NCBI

I'l also note that "long run" has nothing to do with it since we are talking specifically about dieting - a short term phase.

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

Make sure you taper the clen and T3 if you're going to go this route. There is nothing wrong with this stack, you should lean out quickly. But, you WILL lose some muscle, you will. Now, it may seem even more profound than it actually is because you will be losing body weight all together, and you may look smaller. Remember, in a deficit/cut, keep your protein HIGH. Always taper yourT3 DOWN too, not just up, you don't want to rebound.

I appreciate your input and I'll make sure to keep the protein high.

I'll taper the Clen but Doc just said not to taper the T3, what's your thoughts?


Frank

 

[Wunderpus]

Yea...I think you fail to understand exactly what makes a "great" fat burner.
Time is a MASSIVE factor as evidenced by the fact that many drugs never make it out of the research stage due to the fact that the results simply take too long to show themselves. So yes, a drug cannot be classified as a "great" fat burner if the results are too slow - not my opinion, that's a fact.

You realize that I only gave my experience due to the fact that you used your experience to support GH right?
You can say both are equally relevant or irrelevant - none of this cherry picking BS.

T3 at a replacement dose does not eat muscle - especially on AAS.

Again, your confusing GH + AAS vs GH alone. GH alone cannot build muscle by itself, this has been established for years:
Effects of growth hormone on skeletal muscle. - PubMed - NCBI

I'l also note that "long run" has nothing to do with it since we are talking specifically about dieting - a short term phase.

Okay, sure, you're right. Greatness/effectiveness is solely determined by the speed in which it works... You've got it figured out, great! Effectiveness is determined by many other factors besides just at what rate you start to notice effects...

You're determining what is fact now, huh? Wow. You truly have a comprehension problem, or are too fucking pigheaded to see it any other way.

Duh t3 at a replacement dose doesn't eat muscle, it's supposed to mimic natural levels....

Dieting is NOT always a short term phase, maybe to you it is complicated to plan things out, or you're impatient and need your quick fix of fat loss. I, however, do not mind waiting a bit for things to take effect. If you were pre contest and had a few pounds to lose, GH wouldn't be a good option, I get it, thank you. But, if you wished to time your GH usage in advanced, before a cut, it would be a great addition for it's fat melting effects and anti-catabolic nature.

Please, do not tell me what I am and am not confusing, as I am not particularly confused at all. Do you genuinely believe that the introduction of high levels of GH cannot build muscle without AAS? Wow.... Gh -> IGF-1 (in case you're having trouble following along, IGF-1 builds muscle at an incredible rate, no exo. AAS needed).

 

[fodsod]

I say it's probably best to take layering effect to PED use for fat loss without losing muscle. Baseline is 3-5 uis of GH ED for 6-12 months and on top of that you're either doing a cut or bulk (so that determines you AAS use/type) and then the final layer is adding the clen/albut and T3 to produce the total package.

The GH will contribute to fat loss the entire time (it's a long term approach with GH) and when it's cut time that will be amplified.

Too many guys want to rely on just 1 drug to produce an effect. Other than DNP there really is no fat loss drug that won't eat muscle works fast and effectively alone. Just my opinion based on years of doing this crap.