I went to church today

[Bob Smith]

I dont think that confession is hypocritical, as the Bible does say to confess your sins. Where I disagree with Catholics is the need to confess to a priest. Anyway, you continue to live with your gf, so you are basically in a constant state of sin. We are supposed to turn from our sins, not pretend that they dont exist. I spose it also goes towards the Catholic view of hierarchy of sins.

 

[Giovanni]

I dont think that confession is hypocritical, as the Bible does say to confess your sins. Where I disagree with Catholics is the need to confess to a priest. Anyway, you continue to live with your gf, so you are basically in a constant state of sin. We are supposed to turn from our sins, not pretend that they dont exist. I spose it also goes towards the Catholic view of hierarchy of sins.

I know what I am doing isn't the most christian like. But my point is that I had sex with her all the time before we lived together and that didn't seem to be a problem. Now we are living together and that is a problem. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

 

[thick]

my mom is catholic, my dad is nothing. my mom forced my siblings and me to be catholic growing up. my brother and sister are still catholic, i hate the catholic religion. I guess i am like my dad. I did go to a cool church 2 years ago in louisville. Southeast christian church. First church i have ever been to that i liked. Really good speaker, no pressure or uncomfortable feelings there. it held like 16000 people. Had its own basketball and raquetball courts and fitness center. Very neat place.

 

[Bob Smith]

I know what I am doing isn't the most christian like. But my point is that I had sex with her all the time before we lived together and that didn't seem to be a problem. Now we are living together and that is a problem. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Who knows, maybe priests just have an easier time overlooking sexual sins.

 

[garyzilla]

hi garyzilla-was the trinity something that the Hebrews and 1st Century Christians believed?

Yes

 

[brooklynheight]

try again

 

[garyzilla]

try again

What do you mean try again, they did. I am not going to have an arguement proving the Trinity, that has already been done on this board. Even thought the Bible does not have the the word Trinity in it, one can clearly prove the Trinity from the O.T and N.T. The Hebrew's and the first Christians would have believed this. If you do not that is fine. This is all that I am going to comment on the Trinity.

-Pastor

 

[brooklynheight]

didnt Peter tell us to to be "ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope?"

jk----just bustin chops---i realised after my post I wasnt about to get into a debate regarding the Trinity lie.....it would go on forever....



oh and the Hellfire doctrine is a cruel lie too

 

[garyzilla]

didnt Peter tell us to to be "ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope?"

jk----just bustin chops---i realised after my post I wasnt about to get into a debate regarding the Trinity lie.....it would go on forever....



oh and the Hellfire doctrine is a cruel lie too

Fine. I am guessing that your a J.W.?

 

[Hogg]

I dont want to turn this into an anti-Catholic post/thread, so I will end it here.

Oh come on, lets get the inferno blazing......

 

[Bob Smith]

Oh come on, lets get the inferno blazing......

lol, I try to be respectful of other peoples beliefs (for the most part, anyway), which is why I havent made too many comments on Catholicism.

 

[VDC]

Foolish and unlearned questions engender strife,,,Nothing concerning our relationship with the Lord is ever enhanced by debate,,,Talk to Him,,,He is not lacking in the means of communication,,,If you don't believe He'll answer than He won't,,,"Only believe.",,,"When ye seek me with all your heart then I shall be found of you.",,,VDC

 

[crunch76]

imo all religion only serves to enslave people. it is a tool for control. just rembering catholic services i attended as a kid makes me laugh, get up, sit down, kneel, now go do this, and dont do this this and this, or your gonna burn!!! , please, why is sin such a dark thing in religon lol, and of course theres always *the boogie man*, in reality if someones behavor is out of line or interferring with there life it should be delt with by professionals, phychatists and the like, no need for this anciet form of control anymore, we have evloved past its usefulness, anyway to me its all childish hookis pokus, im gonna start a relgion where we pray to old native american gods, rain god, at least they were praving for tangible results, not for everlasting hooey, go dig up a dead preist, see that worm crawling out of what used to be his nose, thats not an angel, its reality, were animals, no shame in it,
k im ready for the flames,
i will pray to the god of computers to help me

 

[Hogg]

The church determined which gospels would be included in the bible. The bible is a compilation of works carefully selected by man to serve his agenda of control. Doubt me, then take a trip to fuller theological seminary. Academics who study religion do not jaundice the truth.

The church determines what is considered heresy. Given that the church is comprised of mortal men, thus sinners, the decisions of the church are subject to individual beliefs and influneces which may be contradictory to God's intentions. Many have died by the hand of the church. Man often believes he understands God's will, but fails the people of God miserably.

The pope is no closer to God than you or I. Catholicism is a control mechanism, orchestrated by thieves, liars, drunkards, deceivers, charlatains. The passing of the hat, CCD, confirmation, confession, the dogmatic additions to the Douay Confraternity version of the bible meant to enslave the minds of its parishioners into the bondage of catholicism doctrine.

With the proliferation of higher learning comes awakening. education is available now to those who want it such that they can walk their path through life with open eyes and to seek enlightenment on their own,,,, rather than to be fed the swill of catholicism like pigs or to be led to slaughter like sheep.

The awakening is the first step, enlightenment is the second, and reform follows thereafter. Perhaps the day will come when the high pontiff himself will be thrown down the steps of the vatican and forced to realize that he puts his pants on the same way that you and I do.

For those who do not know, I was born and raised catholic.



(77) Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all. I am the all; the all came forth from me, and the all attained to me. Cleave a (piece of) wood; I am there. Raise up a stone, and you will find me there.

 

[Bob Smith]

We share much the same beliefs, my friend. I have always spoken my mind against the supposed infallibility of the Pope and how Catholics worship him as if he were Jesus/God. As you said, we all put our pants on one leg at a time.

Controlling the masses is something that Catholicism does very effectively. Nearly all of South and Central America are Catholic and the US has a large % as well. I dont know if it is still true, but at times during the 20th Century, the Catholic church was the largest landowner in Boston, NYC, Chicago, and other major cities. It is a rare occassion when I hear a Catholic talk about Scripture instead of some man-made rule that the Popes have thought up over the centuries. Hogg, I hope the Ms. follows the Bible 100x more than the artificial rules of the Church. From what youve said, she sounds like a strong Christian.

As a side note, did you see that Boston College just bought ~95 acres in Boston from the Boston diocese? Yeah, that money (~$100-115 MM) was used to pay the settlement for all the pedophile priests. Just wonderful. My opinion of BC went down the shitter when they financially bailed out the Boston diocese.

 

[Hogg]

As a side note, did you see that Boston College just bought ~95 acres in Boston from the Boston diocese? Yeah, that money (~$100-115 MM) was used to pay the settlement for all the pedophile priests. Just wonderful. My opinion of BC went down the shitter when they financially bailed out the Boston diocese.

Old blood still flows through the veins of this country. It does not surpise me.

 

[crunch76]

id like to ask you guys a question that people today are flipping out about, first alittle of my histoy in catholism. i dropped out 1 month before conformation, we were about to go to a retreat and were sitting around talking in church i asked a nun if a really good jewish person who helped people everyday but didnt beleive in jesus would go to heaven, she said no, so i asked if a regular joe who didnt really help people, but belived in jesus would go to heaven beofre that jewish person, she said yea, so i said bye lol, nuns calling my house telling my mom something was wrong with me, dad didnt care, i dont think, never said anything about it to me. hypocracy was to much for me, biggest problem i see with catholism is anti semitism, which has almost killed off an entire race, anyway my question

u know whats happening lately, the governement, well mostly the judicial branch is recent really working twoards removing religion from our governemnt life. ten commandments on courthouse, alambama was it? today im hearing something about some military school suit removing prayer, i dunno about that story yet, i see this as a good thing. from what i know we are terribly behind europe in this matter. they have gone through this and have evloved, we are beggining to really take care of it and people are soooo freakin angry, why do people care if i read the ten commandments, obviously if they love it so much they dont need to read it cuase they know it by heart , by why do I have to read it? i dont need that voodoo, especially in a court house, if i gotta go into court , i want justice and i want to know the law will judge me , not sombodys ritual ruler, anyway the success of any free nation lies in secularism, look at the muslim countrys to see what religon can do in governemnt, anyway, western europe has succeessfuly removed the influence of relgion, why so much strife about us doing it, anyway its gonna happen, just wondering why so angry about it, i truly dont get it, if i was relgious i wouldnt care about others beliefs

 

[crunch76]

anyway the answer im thinkin is fear, i think people are scared of a country without a base of faith, they dont think freedom can stand without it, i do, mabey im wrong, thats not backed by anything but my judgment, so mabey its junk lol

 

[Bob Smith]

First, as much as I have issues with Catholicism, it is not an anti-semitic religion.

I dont see taking religion out of everything public as a good thing. I see it as a major negative. Once people started moving away from a faith-based system (mid 1950s), American society has fallen deeper and deeper into the crap we are in now. today, we have no absolute truths. The current belief is that everything is good no matter what it is. As long as someone believes in it, then its ok, its good, its beneficial. What a load of shit that is. A return to traditional values would only work to improve our society in dozens of ways.

 

[Rod]

imo all religion only serves to enslave people. it is a tool for control. just rembering catholic services i attended as a kid makes me laugh, get up, sit down, kneel, now go do this, and dont do this this and this, or your gonna burn!!! , please, why is sin such a dark thing in religon lol, and of course theres always *the boogie man*, in reality if someones behavor is out of line or interferring with there life it should be delt with by professionals, phychatists and the like, no need for this anciet form of control anymore, we have evloved past its usefulness, anyway to me its all childish hookis pokus, im gonna start a relgion where we pray to old native american gods, rain god, at least they were praving for tangible results, not for everlasting hooey, go dig up a dead preist, see that worm crawling out of what used to be his nose, thats not an angel, its reality, were animals, no shame in it,
k im ready for the flames,
i will pray to the god of computers to help me

I'm not going to debate any thing you said because I can't even identify a point worth bothering with. But I will recommend some books that may give you a little better understanding of Christianity. Hope you do try to read at least one of them they are all excellent:

1) Mere Christianity (by CS Lewis)

2) The Case for Christ (by Lee Strobel)

3) The Case for Creation (by Lee Strobel)

4) Intellectuals Don't Need God and Other Modern Myths (by Alistair McGrath)

5) Glimpsing the Face of God: The Search for Meaning in the Universe (by Alistair McGrath)

6) Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity (by J. P. Moreland)