I submit the Simec report was posted to defraud potential customers and pump up existing customers by showing false results. The the conspirator jumped the gun, however, and fallout continues to plague your company.
As I stated in an earlier post, I was present at asf(believe that was the site) the day and at the moment the results were posted.
You folks were spinning. If I remember correctly, the mistake was blamed on a secretary or an assistant of some sort who was supposedly sitting at a desk in an office setting somewhere.
I remember thinking to myself how ridiculous it sounded. The legit Pharmaceutical company angle was being played up.
I don't know if this 21salute was around then or not?
Another thing to consider and that lends to the belief that the fake reports were part of a much larger conspiracy of purposefully mislabeling gear and it being company policy to do so.
I swear to God for an hour or so this supposed international pharmaceutical company could be seem for what it truly was; a small time operation ran by a few greedy scum bags trying to snag more than their share of the revenue one board can generate and doing so with one of the older bullshit scams of claiming they have high dosed gear with no pip. Your guy was sitting in his bedroom or basement working/scamming on his laptop answering emails. His partner decided to start drinking before he was done the day before and forgot to tell dude he didnt get around to changing up the results. No corporate offices. No laboratories. 2 guys fucking off communication.
Asylum of goldstar/kronus. and Patriot(among others) is another lying scumbag who claims to have this unicorn corraled to use at his discretion. He doesn't and neither does IA.
I've seen Asylum squirm when blood came back on his sust 600 and they show results for sust 250. You both and every other lying source all claim the same thing. The wrong label was placed on the vial. As if the test E 500 and test E 200 are right next to each other on the shelf and so innocently confused. The scam has been done a hundred times before and will be done again.
Thats the issue. The intent was there. You people didn't have an epiphany and are now on the straight and narrow. Same dirty players trying to keep the bullshit straight.
Your other comment about reps not earning much. Xsbobber's sole income at the time of the Simec report was repping IA. He lived and breathed with the company. He was going to lie and say absolutely anything to keep the lights on.
You are pretty spot on with how everything took place on ASF. The only thing that you might not know is all the things going on behind the scenes with the mods.
Now I won't say everything you posted here I said verbatim when I opened this thread. But I started this thread off by saying many of the valid points you have made.
I was around ASF when it went down. I was a customer of IA. I was also a tester of their high mg test e. When they set up something like a control group. My numbers came back spot on.
Now I placed a huge order with IA that year. For test cyp 500. I was pinning what I thought was 200mgs a week. When I got labs I was severely disappointed very low. not even in range. I was fighting arguing with X. He then did some research and found out it was mislabeled and ask me to test again as if it were 300mg/ml. I get labs again. This time there were on point. Situation was fixed. I still have a few vials from that batch I purchased last year.
When I was asked to Rep I said yes because in their time at ASF they provided good customer service and the gear is good. Despite the messed up report that was posted at it's original report then changed. Even before I was a rep I believe it was truly a mistake. And I said yes to the offer.
Especially since I know all labs make mistakes. And if a lab makes mistakes and still hangs around same name. I believe that they are doing their best to provide good gear.
I know you remember the issue with Pharmacom NPP looking like a vial full of cotton. Pharmacom was the first ugl I used and had great results. That mistake didn't steer me clear. They had shipping issues or some issue responding to messages of customers orders. I might be a little off with this but it was something to that effect.
I have a lot of respect for you not only because you are vet, but you contribute and help. You're concerns and trust issues with IA have been voiced intelligently and not disrespectfully.
You don't just troll around in the underground. Many of the guys talking and bashing which is expected. Should contribute more than just bashing labs that join here. I get it, this is how we protect the community.
As a member here that most of their contributions are negative reports based off other peoples claims on a lab. In my eyes they are just a waste here. Their word holds no weight, they ride the coattails trying to fit in.
And you and I know that there will be members that give us a shot. I just hope that they post their experience from start to finish and get some labs using the MESO protocol on blood work.
At the end of the day I know in my heart of hearts that this company isn't trying to scam anyone and that it is moving past it's transgressions. Which has been a year already and will take some more time to get people to believe that we are what we say we are.
When I started off here in MESO I was that guy bashing labs arguing not contributing to this board in a positive manner. Until I decided to look at the other sub forums and found a great one. I stayed out of the underground as far as making comments. I just read what was being said.
I have contributed here in a positive way like many the vets have. Not to extent that many vets have but I have contributed in a positive manner and have helped others as well as received help.
And my knowledge and experience are only growing exponentially now that I am around elite level lifter training with them and being coach by a great. Knowledge that I learn that will be shared here. Some things most now other things many might not know.
Just today in out squat training Layne Norton made it up to our gym to train with us. My contributions here will continue to be positive. And the members here that know me personally know how I am and how helpful I am. You might fight other people saying this same thing on other boards that I a member of.
You have you thoughts, opinions and feelings towards IA and I can't change that. I respect you and your thoughts and opinion.
Take care