IA Super Pharma

[ickyrica]

@franchise24 seems like we have a claim that your gear is giving people on other forums

infections and painful lumps on ASF

Is there any traction to this claim?

 

[movingiron88]

Lol, side stepping and redirecting again I see. Where is your proof of dirty gear? You site evidence from asf to back your claim but Meso does not use evidence from other websites to prove or disprove anything related to the validity of gear, Or do we just use the info when we want it to fit our agenda?

As far as who I use for a source, well, if you don't know where I shop you are truly blind. IA has never been and has no foreseeable place on my shopping list. I have no clue if the gear is good or bad, and I don't care one way or another personally. I am simply seeing claims that haven't been proven in any way. Please back up your claim.

You are truly simple you are grasping on one thing I said because you know I'm right with my point. Of coarse I don't have personal concrete evidence, furthermore AI just came to this forum so no concrete evidence on this forum, wow you got me there.

Let's get back to the point at hand, this source has been involved with some shady shit just like franchise has in the past. If you feel that this should not be discussed or brought to the members attention and that is not vetting then you are on drugs.

And no I don't know where you get your gear and I don't care to investigate it. Who gives a fuck

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

Obviously we're dealing with people pushing illegal substances so that should be taken in to account but the reps are chosen to be the face and the fact that x whatever's slimey non lifting ass is still a head rep speaks volumes.

@franchise24 it's kind of shitty that I read and respected the contributions you've made prior to this intro. I get using another handle for the reasons @biggerben69 stated while I think it's a grey area it is understandable.

Here's the issue I have with you now as a rep. You lied and went on the attack insulting members who were vetting a source new to this board. When a rep does that it's not accepted but most reps are garbage so it's expected. You were a member in disguise and chose to insult other members for attempting to vet a source.

You then chose to come clean only after you fucked up and responded from the wrong handle. Nothing positive to take from that. Since you handled the vetting so poorly why would anyone think you'd handle an issue any better?

Before you start with the "you're a non contributer" or whatever you should realize there's alot more people here who just read and don't respond.

I have no experience with their gear aside from what I've read in other places and based on the head rep and your intro I doubt I will. It sucks to see the choice you've made but it's done now.

Well said...

And to me, having additional handles is trying to deceive people, which in principle is consisted fraud.

But we'll said...

Frank

 

[ickyrica]

Again, you have a reading comprehension issue. You seem to be ignoring the fact that I have basically agreed with you. I would not have done what he did. And in no place have I deflected that or tried to quiet any of that narrative. I also do not think that's vetting. That's obstructing a forward thinking conversation about the current status of IA. If you cared about if they are a quality lab and on the up and up you would be vetting with a different line of questioning. Who knows man. Maybe they end up looking good, maybe they end up with cat hair in the oil. I'll never know because I have my own deal. I don't care to vet sources anymore because I have my own deal. But please, learn about the labs operation and specifics by shit talking someone personally, that's a sure fire way to know if they have a clean lab, if they test raws, how they sterilize etc.

Let's get back to the point at hand, this source has been involved with some shady shit just like franchise has in the past. If you feel that this should not be discussed or brought to the members attention and that is not vetting then you are on drugs.

It sounds like you have this sources and franchises interest at heart.

Who gives a fuck

well, seeing as you insinuate something with a statement like this I'd say you give a fuck.

 

[ickyrica]

Furthermore, as stated I am genuinely interested in claims of infection. I don't care if it's from Meso or another site.
Knowledge is power and even though Franchise is one of my PL boys I do not want members getting infected

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

Please, feel free to answer my question. What has made this lab dirty gear and a buyer beware situation due to said dirty gear? Don't side step it, be the man you believe you are and back up your claim of dirty gear.

You don't like Franchise. I get it. So does he. You feel slighted by his second handle and his past makes you feel a little uneasy. I get it. Never once did I defend him and his actions and his choices. I've stated a large handful of times that I would never do what he did and that it was a bad move. You seem to lack a basic fundamental that we are all taught at a young age; reading comprehension. Go read my posts regarding the subject again.

So, feel free to defend your claim that this lab pushes dirty gear. That's all I asked about or defended. I'm all about the truth. Franchise has been exposed, he has bit the bullet and all of his cards are in the table face up , from what it seems like. In no way have I defended his actions. OK, moving on we now have your claim. Please back it up. Simple to do if it's not just some emotional discharge.

Also, please feel free to question his PL knowledge or general lifting, mobility, nutrition or supplement knowledge. Unfortunately, pushing people like @franchise24 away because you feel badly does nothing good for you or the rest of the community at this point. You're too focused on being correct and have missed the larger goal.

Thank god Millard has his hands on the steering wheel and not you. He hasn't missed the point. And without any knowledge above what you have on the subject I can guarantee you that they have had a very intimate conversation on the subject and boundaries/limits and penalties.

really? The vetting process includes inquiry into lab pics, gear pics, customer safety measures, prices and deals for meso, etc. You're involved in a never ending witch hunt, and I get it. I see your point and message. The message just gets thin and desperate when false claims are thrown into the mix.

So, back to the only thing I feel you could claim as me defending the recent moves that franchise has made with our community. What's your proof that he reps dirty gear? Like I said, all about the truth and I'm never going to deny it when presented with facts.

Dirty gear...hard to prove, yet their reputation doesn't help them flame the fire.

My main concern with this brand was it deceived people with a fake lab report on product. We just can't have that IMO.

My only issue with @franchise24 is that he was busted using another handle and denied it, repeatedly. Regardless of what is considered "ok", you shouldn't lie after the truth is exposed.

How he behaved afterwards, I find unacceptable, especially when you're a rep. That being said, he's a grown man that can do what he wants and I won't judge him for his behaviors, even though his attacks on me were due to me challenging him on this lie - second handle.

This section was designed to search for the truth on product and sources...since I've been here it has accomplished that extremely well. I've never been burned once and I've used so many sources from this board and I'm thankful for everyones contributions, SMALL or big...


Frank

 

[ickyrica]

My main concern with this brand was it deceived people with a fake lab report on product. We just can't have that IMO.

My only issue with @franchise24 is that he was busted using another handle and denied it, repeatedly. Regardless of what is considered "ok", you shouldn't lie after the truth is exposed.

How he behaved afterwards, I find unacceptable, especially when you're a rep.

I'd agree with this

 

[franchise24]

@franchise24 seems like we have a claim that your gear is giving people on other forums

Is there any traction to this claim?

As soon as I get back home from training I'll address this again.

 

[franchise24]

My issue now is what are we gonna do about F24's membership status. I myself.would be ok, at the most, with him staying in his lifting thread and not making anymore or being in any other thread! The line is actually drawn before that which prevents him from posting anywhere but here.
I'm not a powerlifter nor will I ever be. I'm 165lbs lean and deadlift 405 belt, straps only but I think in MY opinion he has a lot to offer in knowledge.
I also think there should be steep penalties for him doing any soliciting in his PL thread or straying to another.

Now, that expressed my opinion on that matter. F24 your starting to become very pretty. Your retaliating and saying childish things to contributing members in the underground here because they're expressing their opinions. Like in life, you should be well aware of this, in matters like this people are gonna be mad, sad, disappointed (like me) or neither about you doing what you did. Take it like a grain of salt your word might mean more.

@franchise24 it's not ok that you rep for lab with the same or another handle. What if I rep'd for a lab but it was actually my own...nobody would ever know. So that can't work. When Millard said it was ok to have two handles but it was to keep people safe while posting possible incriminating things about themselves in the underground or atleast that's what I believe. Greatwhitetrukker who knows more about it. It was him I saw mention it somewhere.
Another thing, you will not ignore members here because they are your customers and you are now in the customer service buisness. That right here is what I was referring to earlier. Just plain childish. Thought you said you'd answer all our questions and not retaliate or call us names?

I don't think it was Millard that said it was ok. If he did I missed it. There was another vet that said he that many people do it for safety measures. I'm answering your questions but they are questions I've answered. I responded to a post by someone asking about ifit. I know being a rep I can't say anything about the lab. But I can say use the search function. If I recall I said to the member that mean to sound like a dick but use the search button. I've stayed in my lane. Here and my log and Powerlifting thread. I can assure you if I tried to solicit anyone it would have been said already.

@franchise24 seems like we have a claim that your gear is giving people on other forums

Is there any traction to this claim?

I pulled over to answer this question. There will be a few caveats.

No traction to the claims of infections or abscesses. There was a mod that claimed to have gone to the ER due to an abscess. No pic of said abscess even the ER report that was post wasn't clear and concise to what the ER visit was for.

This was when I was just a customer. IA had just brewed some test 500 and wanted to send out samples to different test subjects. Based off age and weight to my recollection.

There were reported cases of PIP, which should be taken into consideration when pinning high mg gear. I was a test subject.

I used test E 500 no issues. I pinned glutes, VG, quads Delts.

Then I came out with a preworout called war. 100mg/ml of test base and tren base and 2mg methytrienolone.

There were some vials that had crystalized at the top on the stopper. I had purchased a bunch of this war. Again no issues.

Here is when the issues started. IA was consider a small ugl compared to the likes of Pharmacom and naps. The second in charge created a thread on what people of ASF thought was the best source on ASF.

This was after a mod to remain nameless approached IA asking for monthly kick backs for protection and good reviews even if the member had bad bloods. IA turned them down. That's when things started to get bad between IA and the board mods.

The final straw was the SIMEC report and it seemed like everyone that supported IA was now saying the opposite.

No infection from their gear to my knowledge. I'm a pre-workout junkie. I order 5 vials of fury for my meet a few weeks ago. That is when I was asked to rep I said ok.

I pinned fury no issues.

Now for the that understand how low down this business is you will understand the extortion tactics mods will use to get free gear or monetary kick backs.

On another board I was solicited by a mod for free gear. Or he'd give bad reviews regardless of the gear being good or bad.

This is why you see sources coming to MESO. No soliciting or it's a ban either way. And no worries of being extorted. Just honest blunt responses. I appreciate that.

But personal attacks. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I believe most of use are adults.

Getting back on the road to get my wife and kid and get some last minute things for my baby's room, who will be here in a few weeks.

 

[franchise24]

Dirty gear...hard to prove, yet their reputation doesn't help them flame the fire.

My main concern with this brand was it deceived people with a fake lab report on product. We just can't have that IMO.

My only issue with @franchise24 is that he was busted using another handle and denied it, repeatedly. Regardless of what is considered "ok", you shouldn't lie after the truth is exposed.

How he behaved afterwards, I find unacceptable, especially when you're a rep. That being said, he's a grown man that can do what he wants and I won't judge him for his behaviors, even though his attacks on me were due to me challenging him on this lie - second handle.

This section was designed to search for the truth on product and sources...since I've been here it has accomplished that extremely well. I've never been burned once and I've used so many sources from this board and I'm thankful for everyones contributions, SMALL or big...


Frank

This was addressed in my first post of this thread. Lab reports good or bad should be taken with a grain of salt. That's just one batch.

If you go off one SIMEC report and batch. That's not good. Unless you got gear from that batch.

 

[movingiron88]

Franchise can you answer my question. Is this the first source you have repped for or have you prepped for other sources? And if you have before then why did you stop?

 

[franchise24]

Franchise can you answer my question. Is this the first source you have repped for or have you prepped for other sources? And if you have before then why did you stop?

First source ever. Never thought of it before. I placed an order for pre workouts and they asked me to rep for them because I was one of their supporters as a customer. I never had any issues. I was very vocal on the intentions of the mods and IA when I was member at ASF and just a customer. I was vocal about a lot of things that I would see not right. Wrong forum to do so. So I got ban for numerous reasons. The main one was posting pictures of two mods that extorted so much from one source the source had to shut down.

Like I said I understand all the stuff everyone is saying about IA. I would be just as vocal if I had a personal bad experience.

 

[movingiron88]

First source ever. Never thought of it before. I placed an order for pre workouts and they asked me to rep for them because I was one of their supporters as a customer. I never had any issues. I was very vocal on the intentions of the mods and IA when I was member at ASF and just a customer. I was vocal about a lot of things that I would see not right. Wrong forum to do so. So I got ban for numerous reasons. The main one was posting pictures of two mods that extorted so much from one source the source had to shut down.

Like I said I understand all the stuff everyone is saying about IA. I would be just as vocal if I had a personal bad experience.

Thank you

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I've seen him offer gear to people who get shit gear. I can second that. As a matter of fact, I read it today AGAIN!! He was offering something to someone for bunk ass AEL gear on M&S. Seems like a pretty fuckin stellar guy here.

Does IA mean International Anabolics!??!

AEL as in Advanced Elite Labs?
I only ask because I know a lot of people at my gym that runs their gear...I thought they were just in BOP? Didn't realize they were also on M&S, if that's the same lab. Please let me know. Thanks.

 

[TRT]

I don't think it was Millard that said it was ok. If he did I missed it. There was another vet that said he that many people do it for safety measures. I'm answering your questions but they are questions I've answered. I responded to a post by someone asking about ifit. I know being a rep I can't say anything about the lab. But I can say use the search function. If I recall I said to the member that mean to sound like a dick but use the search button. I've stayed in my lane. Here and my log and Powerlifting thread. I can assure you if I tried to solicit anyone it would have been said already.

I pulled over to answer this question. There will be a few caveats.

No traction to the claims of infections or abscesses. There was a mod that claimed to have gone to the ER due to an abscess. No pic of said abscess even the ER report that was post wasn't clear and concise to what the ER visit was for.

This was when I was just a customer. IA had just brewed some test 500 and wanted to send out samples to different test subjects. Based off age and weight to my recollection.

There were reported cases of PIP, which should be taken into consideration when pinning high mg gear. I was a test subject.

I used test E 500 no issues. I pinned glutes, VG, quads Delts.

Then I came out with a preworout called war. 100mg/ml of test base and tren base and 2mg methytrienolone.

There were some vials that had crystalized at the top on the stopper. I had purchased a bunch of this war. Again no issues.

Here is when the issues started. IA was consider a small ugl compared to the likes of Pharmacom and naps. The second in charge created a thread on what people of ASF thought was the best source on ASF.

This was after a mod to remain nameless approached IA asking for monthly kick backs for protection and good reviews even if the member had bad bloods. IA turned them down. That's when things started to get bad between IA and the board mods.

The final straw was the SIMEC report and it seemed like everyone that supported IA was now saying the opposite.

No infection from their gear to my knowledge. I'm a pre-workout junkie. I order 5 vials of fury for my meet a few weeks ago. That is when I was asked to rep I said ok.

I pinned fury no issues.

Now for the that understand how low down this business is you will understand the extortion tactics mods will use to get free gear or monetary kick backs.

On another board I was solicited by a mod for free gear. Or he'd give bad reviews regardless of the gear being good or bad.

This is why you see sources coming to MESO. No soliciting or it's a ban either way. And no worries of being extorted. Just honest blunt responses. I appreciate that.

But personal attacks. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I believe most of use are adults.

Getting back on the road to get my wife and kid and get some last minute things for my baby's room, who will be here in a few weeks.

I really gotta articulate my shit better. I understand you were just telling him to use the search function but someone else can do that for now on. You've lost that privilege in my opinion.

 

[franchise24]

I really gotta articulate my shit better. I understand you were just telling him to use the search function but someone else can do that for now on. You've lost that privilege in my opinion.

Did I violate any rules by saying to use the search function? Did I advertise IA? I did I try to solicit him publicly? Or in private?

If I did none of the above I don't see an issue with helping a member out. If that is a violation of any rules then I'll stop.

But again I didn't solicit or advertise IA. No harm no foul done.

 

[TRT]

Did I violate any rules by saying to use the search function? Did I advertise IA? I did I try to solicit him publicly? Or in private?

If I did none of the above I don't see an issue with helping a member out. If that is a violation of any rules then I'll stop.

But again I didn't solicit or advertise IA. No harm no foul done.

Not yet anyways. If your posting anyone is gonna be able to turn it around and say that your trying to "hint" it.
Just because it's not a rule yet doesn't mean it won't be.

 

[franchise24]

Not yet anyways. If your posting anyone is gonna be able to turn it around and say that your trying to "hint" it.
Just because it's not a rule yet doesn't mean it won't be.

Well then that's to easy. Anyone asking about a source I'll stay out of.

 

[TRT]

Well then that's to easy. Anyone asking about a source I'll stay out of.

Your not getting it are you?

 

[franchise24]

Your not getting it are you?

I think I am getting it. Stay in my lane in my source thread. Don't venture out of that.

Am I missing something?