If all pros use higher test why you claim low test is better ?

[Supremo44]

Start with low dose and eventually work up, No one is gonna start with a 1g of test if they want to do this long term. Yea Putting on tons of muscle is awesome, but longevity in this sport is a lot cooler. And if you aren't gonna compete no need to run over 1g of gear total imo.

Under 1gram of gear you’re still natural brother.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Recently heard on a podcast Dave Paulombo put a guy prepping for his first show on 2 gr test cyp with 500 mg tren the guy ended up quitting the show could not handle that cycle.
Not everyone can handle high test like that

 

[broschmo]

No! I said low estrogen and low testosterone make it impossible to GAIN fat. Lol and who’s making fun of who now? That’s right

Care to explain the metabolic process through which low E2 and low test (total or free or both?) make it impossible to gain fat?
If you take a type-II diabetic and give them 150mg and 500mg of Primo - crashed E2 - not altering anything in his diet he will just stay at the same level of body fat percentage, eating whatever the fuck he wants, while not gaining 1lb of fat?

Are you retarded?

 

[Ironman580]

Recently heard on a podcast Dave Paulombo put a guy prepping for his first show on 2 gr test cyp with 500 mg tren the guy ended up quitting the show could not handle that cycle.
Not everyone can handle high test like that

Couldn’t handle it as far as what???

 

[OmL]

This post is bringing them all out from under their bridge.

 

[Iamnatty]

I saw ramy sign a deal with Tony huge. I wonder if he gets all his gear for free now lol

 

[Iamnatty]

Currently and employee for bodybuilding expo for the past 5 years. So I’ve met and spoken to many pros including bikini competitors. Been coached by Jason Blaha who has his own published program out for the public. Worked side by side with Layne Norton and Tony Trigili.

I'm very surprised to see someone act like Jason blaha is a great trainer lol

 

[Silentlemon1011]

You can actually grow just as much on trt test with high anabolics such as 600+ primo. Low test with a high dose of primo would allow pure protein synthesis without fat or water gain. Nutrient partitioning and insulin sensitivity is better with these kind of cycles

Low test > Low E2 makes fat gain nearly impossible

Wow you're fucked.
Here is the "Normal world" (Non bodybuilding world equivalent) to your argument.

"Walking slowly, makes you go further in an hour than walking faster"
"Show me the science that says I'm wrong"

You have. o clue what you're talking about,
How about all the abstracts that show e2 supplementation increases muscle.mass SIGNIFICANTLY more than just hear without e2?

Just fucking stop lol
You're 160 lbs and running gear....

 

[PeterBond]

The difference between 200 test and 500 is negligible and the latter having more side effects. Replace gram of test with primo or eq. Much better nutrient partitioning

Looks pretty solid to me: https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Looks pretty solid to me: https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172

Love having you around on Meso Peter.

That study is the AAS equivalent (To anyone with a brain at least) of "Water is wet"

More Test = More muscle gains and more favorable body composition.

Its fucking terrifying that anyone would believe otherwise.
Anyone who DOES believe otherwise,.. I have some great oceanfront property in Kentucky to sell ya.

 

[Brandaddy]

I have some great oceanfront property in Kentucky to sell ya.

How much you looking to get for it?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Couldn’t handle it as far as what???

Why don’t you use the Google and listen to the podcast yourself?

 

[lifter6973]

Newbies claim for low dosages test when top pros use high test!

If you search on google pro bodybuilders cycles like this from Big Ramy , you always see they use much higher test than anabolics . Of course we all know to that most of this cycles are not the real cycle of them but at same time one of them can be real and also when a lot of people said the same think there is some truth in that for sure. We all know this top athletes and coaches cant tell the truth about is cycles used because not also give bad reputation to sport but also is supplement brand sponsors don’t allow them to talk about this openly . But at same time you need only one person, friend of them that have access and contact with them take a picture of protocol and with the help of social medias he can easy put something super secret on google ( all forums and youtube videos ) in matter of hours . Today a cell phone can do a lot of thinks for good and for bad , even destroy a life of someone you hate . We live in a dangerous world .

Steroid Cycle

One of the trainers at "Oxygen Gym" leaked the off-season cycle * that took Ramy from 200 pounds to 280 pounds in a single year.

• HGH - 18IU's per day
• Insulin - 5IU's before each meal
• Testosterone Enanthate - 5000mgs per week
• Trenbolone Enanthate - 3000mgs a week
• Equipoise – 3000 mgs per week
• Deca Durabolin – 2000 mgs per week
• Dianabol 100mgs per day
• Anadrol 300mgs per day
• Myostatin (GDF-8) blocking peptides

But the main goal of this article is to understand why most of newbie and beginners claim that low test is the best way to get results , if the best on this sport ( real top pro athletes ) use always higher testosterone . So my conclusion is that all the pros are coached with people that knows a lot more than us , so why try fancy thinks when this sport as no secrets . The best way to grow muscle is :

High levels of test + high levels of hgh and mostly super high levels IGF , and to achieve that you need to use high testosterone + high trenbolone + anadrol + insulin ( lantus + humalog) and IGF . This is all you need to grow .

This beginners that claim low test gives better results probably never try higher test , or is main goal is be small and shredded and look good to the beach . Because if your goal is grow more , higher test is always best option . They probably like low test because they have less side effects , but if your goal is less sides stay natural!



Monstro

I would be dead if I even attempted a cycle like that.

 

[lifter6973]

Believe whatever you’d like. Your post history tells the story.

guys get fat because they eat like retards. Period.

I have to agree with the last statement cuz well Im fat and I eat like a retard. I eat like a retard cuz I am fat. It's a vicious cycle.

 

[lifter6973]

Currently and employee for bodybuilding expo for the past 5 years. So I’ve met and spoken to many pros including bikini competitors. Been coached by Jason Blaha who has his own published program out for the public. Worked side by side with Layne Norton and Tony Trigili.

I worked side by side with Big Ramy. He was next to me on the computer screen but still an impressive name drop. I have street cred brah.

 

[GuerillaPete]

He did not handle the dose made him feel like shit. He could not eat the food and lack of communication from Dave made him quit.
When i ran test to high i got the jitters was agitated could not control estrogen and stuff like that.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Couldn’t handle it as far as what???

This ^

 

[lifter6973]

I also want to add the op is an ifbb pro and is the rep/sales face for euro pharmacies. There are so many forums he is reposting these exact same threads. I'm not sure if he is trying to gain followers or get noobs to pm him for advice so he can redirect them to euro pharmacies

Really? Another EP scumbag. Thanks for the heads up. I hate EP minions. Only thing lower on the scum chain is a RAT like @Twisted.

 

[lifter6973]

I don't think it would be possible to shoot that much oil a week?!

Sure it is possible. You just have to get creative with your pin spots.

 

[MindlessWork]

I worked side by side with Big Ramy. He was next to me on the computer screen but still an impressive name drop. I have street cred brah.

Yeah that's some exquisite trolling right there! Exister0 doesn't really exist, just a figment of the ether