Guys at junior nationals 5 years ago were taking almost pro level amounts of gear, GH, and slin. It's not just open pros taking huge dosages. Bumstead adds a little tren on top of 500mg of test for prep? lol
I was speaking on notable IFBB pros. I could talk about the random fatty at my local gym running 3 grams of gear, I guess, but what's the point? He'll always look like shit and is lucky to deadlift 1.5x his bodyweight, regardless of AAS.
And I believe Bumstead. Him and his team have no reason to lie. He has health conditions that dictate responsible usage, and that's the only reason he doesn't compete in the open class, according to him. He clearly has ridiculous genetics. You can look at pictures of him in his teens before starting gear at all and he looks better than most guys on this forum.
Newbies claim for low dosages test when top pros use high test!
If you search on google pro bodybuilders cycles like this from Big Ramy , you always see they use much higher test than anabolics . Of course we all know to that most of this cycles are not the real cycle of them but at same time one of them can be real and also when a lot of people said the same think there is some truth in that for sure. We all know this top athletes and coaches cant tell the truth about is cycles used because not also give bad reputation to sport but also is supplement brand sponsors don’t allow them to talk about this openly . But at same time you need only one person, friend of them that have access and contact with them take a picture of protocol and with the help of social medias he can easy put something super secret on google ( all forums and youtube videos ) in matter of hours . Today a cell phone can do a lot of thinks for good and for bad , even destroy a life of someone you hate . We live in a dangerous world .
Steroid Cycle
One of the trainers at "Oxygen Gym" leaked the off-season cycle * that took Ramy from 200 pounds to 280 pounds in a single year.
HGH - 18IU's per day
Insulin - 5IU's before each meal
Testosterone Enanthate - 5000mgs per week
Trenbolone Enanthate - 3000mgs a week
Equipoise – 3000 mgs per week
Deca Durabolin – 2000 mgs per week
Dianabol 100mgs per day
Anadrol 300mgs per day
Myostatin (GDF-8) blocking peptides
But the main goal of this article is to understand why most of newbie and beginners claim that low test is the best way to get results , if the best on this sport ( real top pro athletes ) use always higher testosterone . So my conclusion is that all the pros are coached with people that knows a lot more than us , so why try fancy thinks when this sport as no secrets . The best way to grow muscle is :
High levels of test + high levels of hgh and mostly super high levels IGF , and to achieve that you need to use high testosterone + high trenbolone + anadrol + insulin ( lantus + humalog) and IGF . This is all you need to grow .
This beginners that claim low test gives better results probably never try higher test , or is main goal is be small and shredded and look good to the beach . Because if your goal is grow more , higher test is always best option . They probably like low test because they have less side effects , but if your goal is less sides stay natural!
Monstro bro you gotta know these aren't actual leaked pro cycles. That stuff you're seeing online is almost exclusively fabricated for clicks. Come on man, you're a veteran in this game. How you falling for that? Lol
Monstro bro you gotta know these aren't actual leaked pro cycles. That stuff you're seeing online is almost exclusively fabricated for clicks. Come on man, you're a veteran in this game. How you falling for that? Lol
250mgs is barley enhanced? Based on who’s test levels? I bet 90% of the guys on the forum could grow on 250mgs of test, with a proper diet and training. Hell I still make gains when I “cruise” on 150mgs a week.
I was speaking on notable IFBB pros. I could talk about the random fatty at my local gym running 3 grams of gear, I guess, but what's the point? He'll always look like shit and is lucky to deadlift 1.5x his bodyweight, regardless of AAS.
And I believe Bumstead. Him and his team have no reason to lie. He has health conditions that dictate responsible usage, and that's the only reason he doesn't compete in the open class, according to him. He clearly has ridiculous genetics. You can look at pictures of him in his teens before starting gear at all and he looks better than most guys on this forum.
Bumstead is selling as much bullshit as anybody else. At 16 he was skinny as fuck at 18 he was huge. He's selling his image, self, and everything else, he has plenty of reasons to lie
Lol who competing here on a good category and can grow on 200mg?! That's bullshit competitive can't grow on 200mg. If it's after contest prep and diet or off hormones yeah you gain a little fullness etc.
But NO ONE grow on 200mg testosterone especially if we talking about competitive athletes and steroid users who use some years.
First look at the juice column in a while. I smell BAX or PEANUT BUTTER on ACID....
@ the OP... I am not going to get into what type steroids require what amounts of Test base adjunct for successful cycling here... You are clearly operating outside these parameters. But I can tell you this. Estrogen metabolism is critical to BOTH normal function AND growth with steroids in men. Which in turn is PROOF that estrogen is critical in biological cellular metabolism PERIOD. We are not attempting to "prove a negative". In fact, it appears that estrogen MUST INCREASE when androgen activity from test application increases. Further, the use of AI's to render Estrogen levels DISPROPORTIONATELY LOW is starting to look like a bad idea. There is a growing body of evidence that if ONE comes UP, so must the OTHER. It may even turn out that living a more "anabolically supplemented life" is just a harder life long term, but more accurately may be exacerbating the negatives long term when attempting to unnaturally modulate HORMONE PROPORTIONS RELATIVE TO TISSUE TYPE POPULATION. Unfortunately advanced combination cycling makes this unavoidable eventually. Testosterone IS REQUIRED to metabolize FAT and hence estrogen levels increase as fat is "Burned". FAT does not just sit there spitting out estrogens of it's own volition. After all, Estrogen is primarily driven by testosterone derived fat metabolism in Males/ be that increasing or decreasing - the "science" remains unclear. Bro-science actually wins here.. Anecdotally speaking. But if you want a study there is more and more indication that Estrogen metabolism is CRITICAL in the PROCESS of Proper FAT METABOLISM. This particular article even makes mention that proper estrogen levels MUST BE maintained in order to prevent BOTH Hypertrophy of existing adipose tissue, as well as HYPERPLASIA as the creation of NEW FAT cells within the body. It should be noted that what those numbers are in a testosterone supplemented body are not within the scope of this study. But it's a good indication for the purpose of extrapolating the potentials.
**The article fails slightly simply due to the obvious fact that estrogen is produced when testosterone metabolizes adipose tissue. HENCE, testosterone is REQUIRED for fat metabolism. They got lost in their own be-dazzling banter.. Somewhat... Again, it also does not take into account extreme athletes or supra-physiological testosterone dosing.
The following article refers information indicating that PROPER ESTROGEN/ANDROGEN BALANCE is (1) Heart Protective, (2) Metabolically activating, (3) Gut floura positive in action, and (4) immuno expressive to the extent that it even makes a difference as to how one does with the Covid Virus. Amongst other benefits.
There is plenty of EXPERIENCE out there that demonstrates that tweaking a cycle all androgenic is a quick ticket to hell..
In short I will say I never feel as shitty as I do when tinkering with an AI and I can't make it past 3 weeks before everything starts falling apart. And I am clinically OBESE. While OFF TOPIC - I have come to the conclusion that ADEX is WORTHLESS in Estrogen modulation as it can only be dosed all or nothing by design. Some just get away with it/ but the bottom line is your body needs the estrogen. The proof is that there is little desired intended performance difference documented in studies with doses ranging from 1mg all the way to 20mgs. Its not possible to calculate attempts at microdosing BECAUSE THE DRUG DOES NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY AT ALL BEYOND MIN DOSING OF 1mg. So the POINT would be that you let your body DO what it needs to DO, and even when you ramp it up with a joker card like Testosterone supplementation. Side effects such as Gyno, bloating, and BPH are unfortunately GENETICALLY DRIVEN for some unfortunate few primarily, and have nothing to do with attempting to cut estrogen metabolism dis-proportionately "off at the knees"... Many of those conditions would be better mitigated with a SERM. All of which have CONSIDERABLE potential consequences.
Your notion and argument is noble fantasy at best. You also fail to understand that pretty boys in Hollywood are LAZY and do not possess a centile of the muscular neural axon activation these guys have created pumping iron day in and out over their entire lives. In short, TRT IS minimum 400mgs for these guys and IT's NOT NECESSARILY EVEN TO DO WITH Size but Receptor Density more like... (MASS Per unit) .. I am not discounting the value of receptor resetting via deprivation and suffrage between "cycles"... We do not ALL Blast and cruise... not always anyway.
And NO.. Don't go there... - Xenoestrogen and Natural estrogen activity in the body ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANIMALS.... WHile Xeno's look a little like estrogens, they are in fact DISRUPTING the action of natural & Syn testosterone modulated estrogens in a negative manner.. Which IS THE REASON people are getting fat-TER is that the Xeno's are getting in the way of normal E metabolism...
Our understanding of the metabolic roles of sex steroids in men has evolved substantially over recent decades. Whereas testosterone once was believed to contribute to metabolic risk in men, the importance of adequate androgen exposure for the ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Abstract
Our understanding of the metabolic roles of sex steroids in men has evolved substantially over recent decades. Whereas testosterone once was believed to contribute to metabolic risk in men, the importance of adequate androgen exposure for the maintenance of metabolic health has been demonstrated unequivocally. A growing body of evidence now also supports a critical role for estrogens in metabolic regulation in men. Recent data from clinical intervention studies indicate that estradiol may be a stronger determinant of adiposity than testosterone in men, and even short-term estradiol deprivation contributes to fat mass accrual. The following chapter will outline findings to date regarding the mechanisms whereby estrogens contribute to the regulation of body weight and adiposity in men. It will present emergent clinical data as well as preclinical findings that reveal mechanistic insights into estrogen-mediated regulation of body composition. Findings in both males and females will be reviewed, to draw comparisons and to highlight knowledge gaps regarding estrogen action specifically in males. Finally, the clinical relevance of estrogen exposure in men will be discussed, particularly in the context of a rising global prevalence of obesity and expanding clinical use of sex steroid-based therapies in men."
Lol who competing here on a good category and can grow on 200mg?! That's bullshit competitive can't grow on 200mg. If it's after contest prep and diet or off hormones yeah you gain a little fullness etc.
But NO ONE grow on 200mg testosterone especially if we talking about competitive athletes and steroid users who use some years.
Bumstead is selling as much bullshit as anybody else. At 16 he was skinny as fuck at 18 he was huge. He's selling his image, self, and everything else, he has plenty of reasons to lie
I've been following Monstro around other boards pointing out how he is spamming the Community with the same threads and posts. I believe his first attempt at monetizing his existence was when he tried to disguise an ad as a Community member's log.
He was pushing a dietary supplement called Insubolic claiming it to be as if not more effective than Increlex(pharm grade IGF-1).
I quoted monstro from his opening post in this thread and what do we have? "Super high levels of IGF-1 are whats needed to grow."
These threads he starts are an attempt to start a discussion on what works in order for him to push his shit supps.
Hey monstro....I know you've noticed me around the Community. Get used to it. Placing boot on neck. The headlines will soon read; "Snake oil salesman returns to herding goats in his Third World Country home in order to feed family."
There's no shame in any job that earns you an honest days pay.
I was speaking on notable IFBB pros. I could talk about the random fatty at my local gym running 3 grams of gear, I guess, but what's the point? He'll always look like shit and is lucky to deadlift 1.5x his bodyweight, regardless of AAS.
And I believe Bumstead. Him and his team have no reason to lie. He has health conditions that dictate responsible usage, and that's the only reason he doesn't compete in the open class, according to him. He clearly has ridiculous genetics. You can look at pictures of him in his teens before starting gear at all and he looks better than most guys on this forum.
nobody said low test is better than high test. You think all the pros started at a fucking gram? You taper up so you have headroom for the next 10-20lbs of muscle.
No amount of drugs is making any one of us Ramy. He is genetically elite.
Ramy has a pancake back with no depth zero.calves no forearms and his structure is shit. His overall package is very exploitable imo.
Him winning the O is the equivalent of Ruhl had he won it years ago. Assuming all the better guys vanished at the same time. Ramy just happens to be the best big guy around.
Ramy is benefitting from weak lineups IMHO.
Choopan should have at least one sandow if Ramy deserves one. Two if the judges were totally fair with each guy. I know how bbing works and its tough to beat a guy in shape +50lbs but as a diehard bbing fan I love Hadi.
Dallas would have become the greatest I believe. He was 350 when he died. Dallas was the freak to surpass Ronnie he lived and breathed bodybuilding and I for one wish we all could have seen him realize his potential. It was not meant to be. RIP
Dallas would have become the greatest I believe. He was 350 when he died. Dallas was the freak to surpass Ronnie he lived and breathed bodybuilding and I for one wish we all could have seen him realize his potential. It was not meant to be. RIP
I was speaking on notable IFBB pros. I could talk about the random fatty at my local gym running 3 grams of gear, I guess, but what's the point? He'll always look like shit and is lucky to deadlift 1.5x his bodyweight, regardless of AAS.
And I believe Bumstead. Him and his team have no reason to lie. He has health conditions that dictate responsible usage, and that's the only reason he doesn't compete in the open class, according to him. He clearly has ridiculous genetics. You can look at pictures of him in his teens before starting gear at all and he looks better than most guys on this forum.
If Bumstead claims during prep running 500 test and tren that is I think believable. Cbum has a great overall package and his ability to present what he has to the max is one of his greatest strengths.
Ironically I used to laugh at Classic. Cbum is exceptional. I would like to point out the most difficult thing for bbers at that level is to improve year after year. Cbums back improvements from 2019 to 2020 are inspiring. Ramy hasnt changed in the last 5 years.
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