IGF1-Des and Peg-MGF worth for locaized muscle growth?

[Luke391]

As i said you have the autonomy to do as you please and just out of curiosity how do you hypothesize rhIGF-I DES is going to improve your health?

A little pip? A shared syringe from an HIV patient will also only feel a slight poke. Down the road you may feel something.

when I said health I wasn't talking about igf1, I was reffering to other compounds I leaned about trough these supposed "gurus".

 

[Luke391]

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oh alr, I was wrong sorry

either way a few considerations I'd make are:
- how did they give the igf1des to the rats or guinea pigs? IM or IV?
- what was the dose? often these animal studies use massive doses, like even in studies on AAS, making the conversion from mice dosage to Human dose it would still be an insane dose. So likely the side effects are more pronounced
- the body of a rat or guiena pig is much smaller and they have a shorter lifespan. makes it much easier for the compound to have more of a systemic effect regardless of the short half life

 

[Stealth500]

when I said health I wasn't talking about igf1, I was reffering to other compounds I leaned about trough these supposed "gurus".

the point I'm making is you have to research and formulate your own conclusions with prejudice. Information is available to everyone and most of these people are unqualified to give medical advice, their advice is obviously biased clickbait telling you what you want to hear when every peptide is awesome.

 

[Stealth500]

oh alr, I was wrong sorry

either way a few considerations I'd make are:
- how did they give the igf1des to the rats or guinea pigs? IM or IV?
- what was the dose? often these animal studies use massive doses, like even in studies on AAS, making the conversion from mice dosage to Human dose it would still be an insane dose. So likely the side effects are more pronounced
- the body of a rat or guiena pig is much smaller and they have a shorter lifespan. makes it much easier for the compound to have more of a systemic effect regardless of the short half life

of course, the point of tests are high doses in a short period to check for efficacy and adverse effects.

I'm sitting on kits of it. Until someone puts forth a good logical argument I don't plan on using them.

 

[Ateam2023]

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ok , so i gather your NOT a fan of igf1 des, lol ,

 

[Stealth500]

ok so i gather your NOTa fan of igf1 des, lol ,

I want to believe.

 

[Stealth500]

here is this Alex guys proposed protocol.

-jab rhGH post WO
-wait 90 min.
-jab des i.m. bilaterally

so the GH serum levels are on the upswing.

If his theoretical idea here is to have both exogenous GH and IGF-1 peak at the same time seems it would make more sense to

-jab rhGH
-wait 2 hours
-train
-apply DES 3 or 4 hours after rhGH

 

[Blastbahguuls]

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here is this Alex guys proposed protocol.

-jab rhGH post WO
-wait 90 min.
-jab des i.m. bilaterally

so the GH serum levels are on the upswing.

If his theoretical idea here is to have both exogenous GH and IGF-1 peak at the same time seems it would make more sense to

-jab rhGH
-wait 2 hours
-train
-apply DES 3 or 4 hours after rhGH

I’ll be trying this next run.

finishing up my 5th vial this week. Been using it pre-workout.

Original plan was to do half of the vials pre workout, half post workout, see which I liked better since there’s so much conflicting info on this compound. But I’ve decided to just run all 5 pre & get more to try post workout after a break.

 

[Blastbahguuls]

Anyways,

My experience with it pre-workout.

Dose:
Started at 25mcg each ligament, eventually landed at 75mcg each ligament, 150mcg total load.

Results; not even going to speculate, running way too much other shit & also experiencing my first post-show rebound, up 30lb in 9 weeks.

HOWEVER; I will say one thing, that’s 100% certainly the DES. The mother fucking pumps. The pumps are INSANE. It’s genuinely difficult to finish sets with lower working weight than I’d normally run. I’ve also noticed, I’m more sore than I’ve ever been. I rarely remember being sore from training except legs or maybe back. Chest rarely ever got sore, arms rarely, back sometimes.

This shit has me sore on everything, for 2-3 days.

Will be trying again, for sure, with post working dosing.

It’s been kind of a pain in the ass to pin & drive 100mph(not joking) to the gym to get the alleged 30minutes window of benefits.

 

[AbsoluteKnight]

I want to believe.

Where tf did you get your igf des from I hope it wasn’tpuca

 

[Stealth500]

Where tf did you get your igf des from I hope it wasn’tpuca

over a year ago, good luck finding it anywhere.

 

[Blastbahguuls]

Where tf did you get your igf des from I hope it wasn’tpuca

Had to get it from swisschems. Extremely over priced, but they have testing.

Couldn’t find it from any of the Chinese, especially with testing.