IM needle sizes and common practices

[cousinmuscles]

But but site enhancement!!1 jk but so many guys believe in this that it's a meme.

I too wonder how site enhancement works, they do say it makes them weaker for a while. I believe there are some recent podcasts where this was brought up, one of them here:
View: https://youtu.be/vcJSCo8xHBQ


Ah wait, you mean injecting your gear in the muscle you are going to train for site enhancement... That can't be more than just temporary. Every time I have done it, I just manage to squeeze the oil and get a subcutaneous spill, hurts too lol.

 

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This one looks interesting, may have to get one to mess with and see how it works.

 

[adrenalytic]

Ah wait, you mean injecting your gear in the muscle you are going to train for site enhancement...

Ya, this. I've heard guys swear by it. The theory being that the hormone is closer to the receptor of the muscle you're trying to grow but I can't see how this would work with anything other than an ester-less compound. Otherwise you just have inactive drug in the muscle for that day. Makes no sense to me but maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Photon]

I’ve been using 25 ga 1 inch Amazon generics rotating between vg and glute with every day dosing (right vg, right glute, left glute, left vg). Was not concerned about scar tissue before but now after reading this thread I think I may be fucking up.

I am not bothered at all by the injection itself so my only real concern here is long term viability.

Is 27 ga rotating between 6 sites (probably adding delts) enough for every day or do I need to consider more sites in rotation or maybe 30 ga?

Also does the brand / quality really make that big a difference in scar tissue? I have no problem spending the money if it’s going to put me on the right side of caution.

I wouldn't say brand is the differentiating factor.
But between no name generic needles and syringes vs FDA approved ones? Yes, there's a difference.

 

[Survivalism]

I wouldn't say brand is the differentiating factor.
But between no name generic needles and syringes vs FDA approved ones? Yes, there's a difference.

Seems obvious in retrospect, not something I had considered since the injection was so trivial to me. I have some Nipro 27 and 30 on the way already.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on safe rotation and gauge for every day schedule if you have a few minutes.

 

[crispybacon!]

Seems obvious in retrospect, not something I had considered since the injection was so trivial to me. I have some Nipro 27 and 30 on the way already.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on safe rotation and gauge for every day schedule if you have a few minutes.

I think you’ll love the Nipro’s, especially in comparison.

As for rotation, I personally do delts, pecs, lats, VG, & VL. I can hit IM on all of these sites with 1/2”. I haven’t added glutes to the rotation yet, but have some 1.25” Nipro’s for when I do. Also, some of these sites technically count as more than one due to their size, as long as you track the last location you pinned.

 

[Photon]

Seems obvious in retrospect, not something I had considered since the injection was so trivial to me. I have some Nipro 27 and 30 on the way already.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on safe rotation and gauge for every day schedule if you have a few minutes.

I use 25-31g depending on what's being pinned. Most used is 29g and 25g is usually for PWO.

I try to give each pinned spot at least 24 hours before pinning it again. Honestly I think your technique matters more than g. You can use a 31g, bend the needle by accident, tremble to push the oil out etc and that's probably going to cause more harm than using a 29g.

 

[Survivalism]

I think you’ll love the Nipro’s, especially in comparison.

As for rotation, I personally do delts, pecs, lats, VG, & VL. I can hit IM on all of these sites with 1/2”. I haven’t added glutes to the rotation yet, but have some 1.25” Nipro’s for when I do. Also, some of these sites technically count as more than one due to their size, as long as you track the last location you pinned.

I’m excited to see the difference, another thread also convinced me to replace my easy touch insulins with Nipro as well for peptides.

I figured I’d use the 27 1.25 for vg and glute and the 30 .5s for delts

I use 25-31g depending on what's being pinned. Most used is 29g and 25g is usually for PWO.

I try to give each pinned spot at least 24 hours before pinning it again. Honestly I think your technique matters more than g. You can use a 31g, bend the needle by accident, tremble to push the oil out etc and that's probably going to cause more harm than using a 29g.

Interesting, what is the reason behind 25g for PWO? I have some TNE coming and was now planning to use the 30g .5s after warming the oil for the delts.

24 hours makes a lot of sense, it shouldn’t necessarily be about number of sites and rotation, more so that enough time has passed for healing per site. Thanks brother.

I am going to start looking at proper technique as well, I’ve just been doing a quick jab till the needle is seated against the skin and a relatively slow injection.

Appreciate the comments gentleman!

 

[Photon]

Interesting, what is the reason behind 25g for PWO? I have some TNE coming and was now planning to use the 30g .5s after warming the oil for the delts.

3ml syringe

 

[Survivalism]

A

3ml syringe

Ah, got it. Thanks again.

 

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The union medico is the best for this type of device, however somewhat pricey.

But if you inject multiple times a week across several years, the QoL upgrade definitely feels like a steal.

Just makes injection day more automatic, you know that no matter how tired or groggy or whatever is going on in your life your injection technique is always going to be the same. (As mindless as popping pills)

Make sure when you guys order that you ask for all the attachments in the notes.

 

[Billbo98]

I’ve tried all from 23-30ga for oil. 30-27ga is money if doing small TRT dosing. 27ga 1” works too bur I really think 25ga 1” thin walls in dorso glute and 25ga 5/8” for pretty much anywhere except stomach subq is my preference when injecting over .5ml.

 

[Svenderschreckliche]

What do you prefer for your thighs? I have 23g 1 1/4 implants, and regardless of whether I insert them on the right or left side, the muscle always twitches. At first, I was scared and pulled out. But now I just keep inserting them. It's uncomfortable, though. I only have 0.25ml every 3 days because of TRT.

 

[Billbo98]

What do you prefer for your thighs? I have 23g 1 1/4 implants, and regardless of whether I insert them on the right or left side, the muscle always twitches. At first, I was scared and pulled out. But now I just keep inserting them. It's uncomfortable, though. I only have 0.25ml every 3 days because of TRT.

I don’t do quads with oils. Only peptides with 31g 5/16”

 

[psauce]

What do you prefer for your thighs? I have 23g 1 1/4 implants, and regardless of whether I insert them on the right or left side, the muscle always twitches. At first, I was scared and pulled out. But now I just keep inserting them. It's uncomfortable, though. I only have 0.25ml every 3 days because of TRT.

The thigh isn’t ideal, and you can do 0.25 ml essentially anywhere you want, but if you insist on thighs there’s a procedure. Take the syringe and hold it vertically above the middle of your thigh, as if the upper leg is a cylinder and the femur is the axis. Rotate the syringe 45 degrees away from the midline of the body. In other words, if vertical is zero degrees and parallel to the ground is 90 degrees, you’re halfway to those. Then you inject. This should miss the nerve.

But really, delt is so much simpler.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

What do you prefer for your thighs? I have 23g 1 1/4 implants, and regardless of whether I insert them on the right or left side, the muscle always twitches. At first, I was scared and pulled out. But now I just keep inserting them. It's uncomfortable, though. I only have 0.25ml every 3 days because of TRT.

Implants? Anyway that's a big fuckin needle

Shouldn't need bigger than 26g for legs, I use 29g just fine, depends on your quad size and how lean they are tho

 

[goodtime]

The union medico is the best for this type of device, however somewhat pricey.

But if you inject multiple times a week across several years, the QoL upgrade definitely feels like a steal.

Just makes injection day more automatic, you know that no matter how tired or groggy or whatever is going on in your life your injection technique is always going to be the same. (As mindless as popping pills)

Make sure when you guys order that you ask for all the attachments in the notes.

I've been looking into getting one. Do you know if the needle length is adjustable (meaning can I use a 1" needle tip for some injections and 1.5" for others) or are you locked in to using a specific length/gauge when you purchase it?

Also, what attachments?

 

[EWIHEWIHEWIH]

A lot of helpful info in this thread - just starting (endo prescribed) trt and they prescribed 25g 1.5”. Seems like I would be better off with 27g 1” (if not subQ). Do you all have a specific source you go to, or should I just buy nipro or bd from whatever pops up on google for lab supplies?

 

[Chicken Joe]

I have never used a needle larger than 1/2inch for anything. I don't know why you'd need to unless you're fat

 

[Survivalism]

A lot of helpful info in this thread - just starting (endo prescribed) trt and they prescribed 25g 1.5”. Seems like I would be better off with 27g 1” (if not subQ). Do you all have a specific source you go to, or should I just buy nipro or bd from whatever pops up on google for lab supplies?

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