Switcha2011
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How are you guys finding subq glute ? I'm starting test/npp in the near future and would much rather subq over I'm but I'll be pinning 6ml a week
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
im vs subq injections
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Rido
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Get 8mm 1ml.needles. I inject SQ glute for hgh and carnitine
Switcha2011
New Member
I'm using 8mm .5mm stomach subq atm for my hcg and it's so easy compared to im
Rido
Subscriber
I don't like the stupid little bubbles under my skin. I have only done oil SQ a few times. I did primo once as a test. I would not advise anyone to
Deezznutzz
Member
My body hated the one mil Sub-Q of 250 testosterone cypionate. I know it's not the gear because I've been using it for about 4 months and it works great intramuscular. I still have some discoloration on that love handle but no lumps
Leg_locker
Member
My body hates oil sub q. Water based is fine. Npp sub q sounds horrible
Curious if you've ever tried an aas water based suspension subq? Like a test suspension. I'm genuinely curious as of late. Will probably give it a try just out of morbid curiosity.
Astartes
Member
I’ll speak from experience;
All are correct on blood flow and lumps Sub-Q. Over 1 CC and it becomes an issue. That said, I do Sub-Q for cruise. Even with high concentration it is just fine. Gives my muscles a break, and helps avoid scar tissue build up as much as possible.
I will say LEAN areas like Quads suffer most from irritation in my experience. While high fat areas (relatively speaking) like love handles and ass (if you have any) tend to absorb better,
Hope that helps
Edit: I have seen normal Total T bloods, slightly higher Free T and slightly lower E2 on Sub-Q vs equitable doses IM. (Purely on TRT/Cruise doses)
connoristiny
New Member
Lately I have been pinning sus 400 both IM and SubQ. And sometimes the pip is absolutely brutal to the extent that the muscle substantially swells up. Is it the high concentration of sus causing this? Any ways to mitigate this?
lukiss96
Member
No difference for me in regards to stability or any other issues. Just some positives and some negatives, although I find positives outweight and win overall for me.
+easier to inject
+less invasive
+not wasting gear (no dead space)
+great for delts and chest injections (if bf % is low enough it can even become shallow IM injection)
-takes a bit long to draw
-limited to 1ml per injection (but even if it was possible it would not be smart to inject more)
-some places are annoying if you get small bump or something (usually quality stuff doesn't cause any problems)
+easier to inject
+less invasive
+not wasting gear (no dead space)
+great for delts and chest injections (if bf % is low enough it can even become shallow IM injection)
-takes a bit long to draw
-limited to 1ml per injection (but even if it was possible it would not be smart to inject more)
-some places are annoying if you get small bump or something (usually quality stuff doesn't cause any problems)
connoristiny
New Member
Nice what gauge and length needle do you use? And what exactly do you mean by dead space?
Type-IIx
Member
Theoretical benefits of subcutanous AAS ("subq"):
Subcutaneous testosterone at replacement doses may be associated with lower aromatization and erythropoeisis. It is plausible that smaller daily T injections, resembling physiologic secretion, do not affect hepcidin activity to the same degree that is seen with supra-physiologic T levels from weekly IM injections. It is plausible that reduced blood flow to adipose tissue (vs. skeletal muscle) thereby results in slower release from depot to the liver via Esterase to become active. Depending on an individual's binding hormone (i.e., SHBG, albumin, α₁ acid glycoprotein, corticosteroid binding globulin) profile, this will most likely result in reduced Aromatase activity.
Subcutaneous preparations:
But, generally AAS are not designed for subcutaneous use. Rather, you'd want to use, e.g., Xyosted and its auto-injector design (and patented formula that I believe uses chlorbutanol rather than benzyl alcohol).
As typically done in practice, subq administration of generic oils (intended for deep intramusclar use) are drawn up in an insulin or hypodermic syringe ("slin pin").
Using a slin pin for AAS has multiple drawbacks:
1. Not all gear is low viscosity enough, this will vary by solvent use, compound (concentration, drug) & source (manufacturing processes).
2. You need a relatively longer needle length for IM (intramuscular) application to get deep into the muscle, and unless specifically designed for it (e.g., Xyosted), gear isn't intended for subcutaneous application. This is modulated by body fat %. Expect irritation, welts, and even low-grade infections to occur as a matter of course injecting AAS oil-based solutions subcutaneously that are not intended for it.
3. Infection risk is greater without the use of a drawing & separate administration needle.
4. This doesn't permit high volumes of oil to be administered.
Subcutaneous testosterone at replacement doses may be associated with lower aromatization and erythropoeisis. It is plausible that smaller daily T injections, resembling physiologic secretion, do not affect hepcidin activity to the same degree that is seen with supra-physiologic T levels from weekly IM injections. It is plausible that reduced blood flow to adipose tissue (vs. skeletal muscle) thereby results in slower release from depot to the liver via Esterase to become active. Depending on an individual's binding hormone (i.e., SHBG, albumin, α₁ acid glycoprotein, corticosteroid binding globulin) profile, this will most likely result in reduced Aromatase activity.
Subcutaneous preparations:
But, generally AAS are not designed for subcutaneous use. Rather, you'd want to use, e.g., Xyosted and its auto-injector design (and patented formula that I believe uses chlorbutanol rather than benzyl alcohol).
As typically done in practice, subq administration of generic oils (intended for deep intramusclar use) are drawn up in an insulin or hypodermic syringe ("slin pin").
Using a slin pin for AAS has multiple drawbacks:
1. Not all gear is low viscosity enough, this will vary by solvent use, compound (concentration, drug) & source (manufacturing processes).
2. You need a relatively longer needle length for IM (intramuscular) application to get deep into the muscle, and unless specifically designed for it (e.g., Xyosted), gear isn't intended for subcutaneous application. This is modulated by body fat %. Expect irritation, welts, and even low-grade infections to occur as a matter of course injecting AAS oil-based solutions subcutaneously that are not intended for it.
3. Infection risk is greater without the use of a drawing & separate administration needle.
4. This doesn't permit high volumes of oil to be administered.
lukiss96
Member
I use either 29g or 30g depends on which ones are available at the pharmacy. Length of the needle is always 12.7mm = 0.5inch.
