important about TRT and libdo -READ

mxim

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This is far from scientific but definitely worth mentioning. as i stated before,i am on 100mgs of testosterone cypionate per week and am getting fantastic results. my libdo is strong(morning erections),mood, build is looking much better ect.... the last few weeks my libido has almost been too good. i even posted recently about what we do when we have high libido's from TRT and our spouses cannot keep up with it. anyway,yesterday,i was playing a stock and i was down a bit and watching it from my computer screen. my wife walks into my office and she was getting affectionate so i jumped at the opportunity. however,i really was'nt in the mood at all,my nerves were shot from looking at the stock i was in and i had anxiety out the ying yang because of it. i was barely able to get it up and it was half assed but worked out .anyway,the reason i post this is because if this happened to so of the others on this board(including me a while back),we would immediately be asking swale why our libido's suddenly fell off a cliff and wondering if our estrogen is too high ect.... i am not taking any hcg or anything else but test am i am fine. what happened yesterday just goes to show that its more than just hormones that play a part in libido. stress or anxiety can be worse. so next time you think your libido is crashing,look at your stress levels and see what is making you anxious. if your hormones are ok,you should have no problem with sex at all. just keep your stress levels manageable.
mxim
 
Very excellent point.

I currently have problems with severe hypercortisolism and a number of "fun things" that the hypercortisolism generated. Well, like my hypogonadal state to start with (yes, highly elevated hypercortisolism can do that). And also severe anxiety, severe insomnia, strange peripheral neuropathy type pains (but that aren't PN), tinnitus, etc., etc.

Now I currently have relatively decent TRT numbers (Total T in the 500s, Free T at 168, E2 in the mid to upper 20s), but still have lowered libido as compared to about 14 months ago when ALL of this came on in a very brief time period (less than a month). I have switched from AG to Testim and believe that will get me up into the 600s or even 700s with Total T (and Free T probably around 200... my Free T percentage has always been around 3 - 3.3)... but imagine that I'll still have lesser libido. Between those symptoms - and medications being taken to control those symptoms - there obviously has to be some effect on one's libido.

So you're right, it always isn't something wrong with the TRT. And the other thing that I noticed was that each time I had a "bump up" in my TRT regimen (i.e., 5 grams AG to 7.5 grams, etc.) that it took a while for the body's feeling at that "new level" to catch up with the numbers.

But anyway, a VG point....

Larry
 
Yes mxim I agree... stress can play total havoc with your libido.. Possibly the sympathetic nervous system dominates in those conditions.

Larry,.. Im not very familar with hypercortisolism. My morning cortisol readings have been consistently slightly above the normal range.... my most recent test was 639 nmol/l (range, 120-620.) Is this anything to be concerned about? I am on TRT.
thanks.
 
I assume from your wording that you are referencing a morning salivary or serum cortisol test? Except for a few very specific purposes, salivary or serum cortisol testing is pretty worthless in making an initial determination if you have a total cortisol problem. You see, a salivary test (and serum test) basically just take a "snapshot" of what yoyur cortisol levels are right at that moment.

And since your cortisol levels vary significantly during the day (in a daily cycle pattern... but which is different not only from person to person to some extent, but even to some extent within the same person on different days... depending on things like how hard you worked out the day before, if youd had any even slight stress recently, etc., etc.)

What you need to have performed is a 24-hr UFC (Urinary Free Cortisol) test done. Basically you collect your urine over a 24 hour period in a special provided container and then turn it in for analyzation. It is a much, much more accurate test for this purpose than either of the other two.

Now if we can assume that this was a valid representation of how cortisol secretion was for you over a 24-hr time period, then you "could" be looking at a milder case of elevated cortisol, but not necessarily hypercortisolism. With hypercortisolism something has created a dysfunction with the HPA Axis and the adrenal glands aren't getting the right signal to fully close down or reduce cortisol secretion. Hypercortisolism is generally that when one's overall (24-hour) numbers are anywhere from 1.5 to 3 times the maximum of the test range... or higher.

Simple elevated cortisol (especially mildly elevated cortisol) can be from a number of reasons. Chronic overtraining for example. Or some chronic stress going on at work or on the homefront.

Mildly elevated cortisol levels will generally respond to not only any number of various "anti-stress programs" (or backing off on training if it's overtraining), but also will respond well to various OTC anti-cortisol supplements. Relora is one of the better known examples (though many don't know that the active ingredient in Relora is Magnolia Bark Extract). Some other good examples are Rhodiola Rosea (one of my favorite adaptogens), Holy Basil, Ashwaganda, and the amino acid combo of NAC and Glutamine. Some also say that Siberian Ginseng is one that can be added to that list. I know that Panax (Asian) Ginseng is a no-no as raised cortisol levels in a couple of tests that were done (which could be good for someone who was starting to get adrenal fatigue).

BTW, severe hypercortisolism can CAUSE hypogonadism but TRT will not cause elevated cortisol... in fact, I have read a number of items where it was shown that increased testosterone was actually quite positive in reducing MILDLY elevated cortisol.... so definitely wouldn't worry about TRT and cortisol from that angle.

Now if your sample of cortisol was actually one of your LOW samples, and your regular daily output was actually much higher than that, then there could be a hypercortisolism issue... and possibly a clue to what caused your hypogonadal state. But generally you would have a number of other symptoms that would also be a clue as to hypercortisolism (I only gave a partial listing on mine!).

Either way, since you have a clue that you "might" have some elevated cortisol to some degree, I think that a 24-hr UFC test would be in order.

Larry


Larry,.. Im not very familar with hypercortisolism. My morning cortisol readings have been consistently slightly above the normal range.... my most recent test was 639 nmol/l (range, 120-620.) Is this anything to be concerned about? I am on TRT.
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Larry,
Thankyou very much for that detailed reply. Yes they were serum morning tests... each taken a few months apart. These "snapshots" gave a similar reading each time at that particular time of day...8.30am.
I did a little research and some of my problems im experiencing seemed to fit in with the symptoms of high cortisol... but they could of course be from many other things as well. More than likely all I have is just slightly elevated levels from stress!!! :eek:
I will talk further about it with my doc and consider that test.
Thanks mate.
 
You're welcome....

Believe me, cortisol is one mean MF.... Without it, well, you die very quickly. With a little too much of it you have a highly catabolic effect on your body (i.e., the very opposite of anabolic!). And with way too much of it you have a lot of shitty symptoms. And those symptoms can vary highly from individual to individual. In my case those symptoms were (a) hypogonadism, (b) severe anxiety, (c) severe insomnia, (d) burniong urethra type pains (constantly), (e) severe peripheral neuropathy type pains in hand and feet, (f) icy cold feet and moderately cold hands (usually the feet are only mild cold to the touch but feel like you're standing in snow barefoot), (g) severe tinnitus, (h) fatigue, (i) lack of motivation, (j) moderate depression - and a few other things...

Now while all of these symptoms came on all at once (and very abruptly - in less thaqn a month), the fact is that I am sure (as are my specialist docs) that the cortisol was probably "mildly to moderately elevated" for a number of years before the crash of the HPA Axis... probably something like 6 - 7 years of chronic stress and low-grade anxiety causing constant "mild to moderate" excess cortisol secretion - and then the crash in June of 2004 which caused the cortisol to go highly elevated (and literally into a hypercortisolism state with the HPA Axis being dysfunctional).

The moral of this story?

Push to get the right tests done - and then do the right follow-ups if you have elevated levels, even if just mildly elevated.

Staying on top of it will be a key!

Larry
 
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