In Need Of Serious Advice

[johnnyraw]

hey bros, heres my problem: I just finished a long cycle, to be honest I cant remember how long it was because I had no intentions of comming off, however I do not think it was longer than 20 weeks, I started heavy (for me) approx 1g test enanth/week, 50 mg dbol/day, 100 mg tren ED, and 500 mg EQ week...I dropped the d-bol because of sides (extreme pumps in low back, I beleived intensified by tren) also insomnia, and a general lethargic "shit" feeling, so I ran the tren, test & eq for several weeks and decided to drop the tren after 6 and run test @ 750 and eq @ 500 until the eq ran out (I had one 10 cc), afterwards I continued with the test @ 650mg/wk for several weeks (like I said I cant remember how long) and then tapered to 200 mg/wk for 4 weeks.

I was going to "cruise" at this for 4 weeks while running hcg @ 500 iu EOD and nolva @ 40 mg ed and then ramp back up, however I decided to take a break so I continued the nolva @ 40 mg ed for the next 2 weeks (past the last shot at the end of the 4 week cruise) and then did a classic PCT with nolva instead of clomid (I prefer nolva), well I am in my 4th week of nolva therapy and I have zero sex drive!!! Zero!!!

I managed to maintain my bodyweight, but increase some BF over this time, probably from 10% @ 260 to 12% @ 260#...not too bad, strength is so, so I am not crashing like mad, but also the weights "feel" heavy (as they will)...I upped cals, ran creatine, and focused on strength etc to help me recover, but its not looking good. I have no real desire to have sex, erections are non-existent and even when I did last (a week ago) it was like I had to concentrate on staying in the mood, and I know its not for lack of a hot chick

this is my 6th cycle over a 6 year period but also the "heaviest" I have ever ran. also Im not that young (not quite 30, but still) and I am hoping Im not permanently affected. Like I said my strength isnt too bad and Im not too soft its just the lack of libido, and my recovery seems a little shot as well..

 

[snake]

Are your nuts back to full size?

If so, I think you just need to be patient. If not, I think you need another pct of hcg and nolva.
I've never run a long cycle like that, but I'll never run tren again, because of how hard it shuts you down. It took me about 5 weeks to begin to get my sex drive back after running tren. No tren or deca for me anymore. I come back well after test, eq, winni, etc. Sounds like you're the same way.

 

[crewboss]

If so, I think you just need to be patient. If not, I think you need another pct of hcg and nolva.
I've never run a long cycle like that, but I'll never run tren again, because of how hard it shuts you down. It took me about 5 weeks to begin to get my sex drive back after running tren. No tren or deca for me anymore. I come back well after test, eq, winni, etc. Sounds like you're the same way.

yeah bro up the nolva and be patient

 

[mxim]

first off,that was a very heavy cycle and a long one at that. you are very suppressed,as tren is very suppressive,not to mention the testosterone. you should always wait about 3 weeks after your last shot until you start any post cycle regiment. here is a good example that has been well documented.
starting 3 weeks after your last shot.
week 1
1500 iu of hcg eod
100 mgs of clomid ed
week 2
1500 iu hcg eod
50mgs clomid ed
week 3
1500 iu hcg eod
50mgs clomid ed
week 4,5,6
50 mgs clomid ed.
when your testes are atrophied,they become descentized to lh. you need to get your testicles working again so they will be able to respond to lh again. i realize hcg is suppressive but at this juncture you have to get them up and running. by the time the hcg sstops working the clomid will be working. i choose clomid because i believe it has a more profound effect on the hypothalymus than does nolvadex. also nolvadex increases cholesterol. REMEMBER, after a cycle,you are not suppressed due to estrogen,you are suppressed because of excess androgens.androgens attatch to receptors in the brain and suppression starts there. estrogen suppression is another story. anti e's are great at raising t levels when the androgen suppression is gone.

 

[finafreak]

hey bros, heres my problem: I just finished a long cycle, to be honest I cant remember how long it was because I had no intentions of comming off, however I do not think it was longer than 20 weeks, I started heavy (for me) approx 1g test enanth/week, 50 mg dbol/day, 100 mg tren ED, and 500 mg EQ week...I dropped the d-bol because of sides (extreme pumps in low back, I beleived intensified by tren) also insomnia, and a general lethargic "shit" feeling, so I ran the tren, test & eq for several weeks and decided to drop the tren after 6 and run test @ 750 and eq @ 500 until the eq ran out (I had one 10 cc), afterwards I continued with the test @ 650mg/wk for several weeks (like I said I cant remember how long) and then tapered to 200 mg/wk for 4 weeks.

I was going to "cruise" at this for 4 weeks while running hcg @ 500 iu EOD and nolva @ 40 mg ed and then ramp back up, however I decided to take a break so I continued the nolva @ 40 mg ed for the next 2 weeks (past the last shot at the end of the 4 week cruise) and then did a classic PCT with nolva instead of clomid (I prefer nolva), well I am in my 4th week of nolva therapy and I have zero sex drive!!! Zero!!!

I managed to maintain my bodyweight, but increase some BF over this time, probably from 10% @ 260 to 12% @ 260#...not too bad, strength is so, so I am not crashing like mad, but also the weights "feel" heavy (as they will)...I upped cals, ran creatine, and focused on strength etc to help me recover, but its not looking good. I have no real desire to have sex, erections are non-existent and even when I did last (a week ago) it was like I had to concentrate on staying in the mood, and I know its not for lack of a hot chick

this is my 6th cycle over a 6 year period but also the "heaviest" I have ever ran. also Im not that young (not quite 30, but still) and I am hoping Im not permanently affected. Like I said my strength isnt too bad and Im not too soft its just the lack of libido, and my recovery seems a little shot as well..

Hey bro amp your hcg bro at 2000ius every third day for two weeks,at the same time take a strong anti-estrogen with it.and have some cialis on hand,for any incovinience


fina

 

[PDP]

Good advice, I'd look at running a course of HCG, it will inhibit you further but it sounds like you have atrophied. Run a mix of clo and nolv at a decent dose and wait. Keep food intake high, keep training moderate and use traditional compound movements with moderate weight. Try tanning beds as sunlight has been indicated in increased test production especially on genital skin. You could have some viagra on hand for emergencies.

 

[johnnyraw]

thanks for the advice, I have run tren and test two other times with pretty good recovery, I think it was a combo off all...either way, my testes seem to be back to normal, but it took a while I remember last cycle (only an 8 weeker) I was back to full size or close within a week.

I was able to have sex today, but only because I wanted to see if I could, as I wasnt really amped to do it. About 1/2 way through I was about to stop as it looked like I'd never finish, but I hate not finishing what I start, so I buckled down and concentrated (going soft) and ended up finishing...cant say my girl was complaining, funny thing is before hand she mentioned it was big (as I said lately it hardly gets erect), so I may be comming around.

I dont have HCG at the moment, but will continue to run Nolva (I prefer it, I seem to recover better from it) and will keep you all posted, I appreciate the help, I think next time Ill try 2 weekers instead, well...right after my cut up cycle ;-)

 

[Manuel_Hung]

Glad to see that there is some light at the end of the tunnel.....I also have the same problems.....age will catch up to ya quickly. I am coming off a rather long extended cycle....I am going to be monitorede by a doc to see just how my body reacts to recovery and how long it takes! I will keep u guys informed on the therapy and the results!