Injectable Copper

[swim15]

So this is a long story and I’ll save all the background.

I‘m looking at making some copper injection due to a deficiency that I can’t get doctors to treat because both of mine are idiots.

Likely due to an auto immune condition I have but just want to get my levels normal to see if any of my symptoms go away since it’s something I know is very low - 47 with an 80-175 range.


I’ve been compounding gear for years but does anyone have any experience compounding vitamins or minerals?

The medical formulations use cupric chloride but I was wondering if there was a reason. not to use copper bisglycinate? Thinking about just dissolving in water, adding some BA, and then filtering.

Anyone see any issues?

 

[Villain]

@SymBiotics I know this is out of your lane, but you seem to be really knowledgeable.

 

[master.on]

Copper supplements are cheap and widely available OTC
So why botter with an injection?

BTW what symptoms do you have?
I found that taking reatively high Zinc doses over several months, which supposedly deplete Copper, makes me feel way better.

 

[swim15]

Copper supplements are cheap and widely available OTC
So why botter with an injection?

BTW what symptoms do you have?
I found that taking reatively high Zinc doses over several months, which supposedly deplete Copper, makes me feel way better.

Several months of oral chelated copper has failed to raise levels adequately. Symptoms are typical of copper depletion and I believe it also most likely impacting conversion of DA to NE.

See any issue with using glycinate as a water based injection?

 

[Kingsmountain]

I have no horse in this race but I am always intrigued by forward thinking.
Subscribed for results.
Keep us up to date if you figure anything out and if you wind up running it a follow up or mini log would be great.
Best of luck!

 

[swim15]

I have no horse in this race but I am always intrigued by forward thinking.
Subscribed for results.
Keep us up to date if you figure anything out and if you wind up running it a follow up or mini log would be great.
Best of luck!

Sure thing man. I’m probably going to brew up some glycinate and start with a few small doses to asses absorption and tolerance and then do a couple larger doses before following with blood work

 

[master.on]

Several months of oral chelated copper has failed to raise levels adequately. Symptoms are typical of copper depletion and I believe it also most likely impacting conversion of DA to NE.

See any issue with using glycinate as a water based injection?

IMO first try getting Copper bloodwork from another lab, preferably using other some other, more sensitive analytical technique.

Maybe you already have enough Copper and the tests aren't that accurate?

 

[swim15]

IMO first try getting Copper bloodwork from another lab, preferably using other some other, more sensitive analytical technique.

Maybe you already have enough Copper and the tests aren't that accurate?

Have had 4 panels done so far over a period of 6 months

 

[master.on]

Have had 4 panels done so far over a period of 6 months

Check to see if any of these might be causing a Copper-Zinc imbalance.

 

[swim15]

Check to see if any of these might be causing a Copper-Zinc imbalance.

All other levels of metals are normal including zinc.


Selenium was upper end of normal, iodine was middle of the range, zinc was middle of the range, iron is normal

 

[Dr JIM]

So this is a long story and I’ll save all the background.

I‘m looking at making some copper injection due to a deficiency that I can’t get doctors to treat because both of mine are idiots.

Likely due to an auto immune condition I have but just want to get my levels normal to see if any of my symptoms go away since it’s something I know is very low - 47 with an 80-175 range.


I’ve been compounding gear for years but does anyone have any experience compounding vitamins or minerals?

The medical formulations use cupric chloride but I was wondering if there was a reason. not to use copper bisglycinate? Thinking about just dissolving in water, adding some BA, and then filtering.

Anyone see any issues?

Parenteral copper as self prescribed copper deficiency therapy, for goodness sake see a PHYSICIAN

 

[swim15]

Parenteral copper as self prescribed copper deficiency therapy, for goodness sake see a PHYSICIAN

I’ve seen 4 different physicians in 6 months and they all don’t want to do anything about it.

Is there any particular medically supported reason why injection isn’t a good idea? We already inject a lot of things in the bbing community and that’s clearly accepted here. Why would a mineral be any different?

 

[Dr JIM]

A copper level of FORTY in no way implies your symptoms are the result of a deficiency, and after seeing FOUR HCP that would seem obvious to most reasonable folk.

My advice cease treating ZEBRAS and find a life.

GOOD LUCK

 

[swim15]

A copper level of FORTY in no way implies your symptoms are the result of a deficiency, and after seeing FOUR HCP that would seem obvious to most reasonable folk.

My advice cease treating ZEBRAS and find a life.

GOOD LUCK

A copper level of 40 is 50% of the bottom baseline and therefore deficient, arguably severely deficient.

I do have issues that could very easily be linked but at the end of the day it’s a very sub normal lab and wanting it addressed isn’t unreasonable so please stop acting like it is.

Not being a dick but this is coming from someone in med school and hoping to be a doctor that listens better than the ones I’ve seen, or you apparently.

Is it the primary cause of some of my symptoms? Likely not. Is it exacerbating some? Likely. Either way, we can’t know until it’s addressed and there’s nothing wrong with wanting to address it at that level. If you aren’t here to contribute something then I’d appreciate keeping comments to yourself.

There’s also the fact that most PCPs are borderline retarded. Also the same docs that said using test will cause liver failure so I’m not taking everything they say with a lot of weight.

 

[master.on]

All other levels of metals are normal including zinc.

Selenium was upper end of normal, iodine was middle of the range, zinc was middle of the range, iron is normal

Zinc lab tests are usually very inaccurate. Google that yourself and you'll see.

IMO You may actually have an undiagnosed Zinc deficiency from taking too much Copper.

 

[swim15]

Zinc lab tests are usually very inaccurate. Google that yourself and you'll see.

IMO You may actually have an undiagnosed Zinc deficiency from taking too much Copper.

I doubt it just because I’ve always supplemented zinc (20mg chelate daily for the past year or two) and a couple months of supplementing copper is unlikely to cause zinc deficiency.

That said, I’m only taking copper one time per day. It competes with zinc for absorption but doesn’t necessarily deplete the body of zinc as far as I know. It just can if there’s constant uptake competition.

I’ve got two labs so far that says it’s fine but I can supplement 3-4 days a week 12 hours apart from copper to cover that base.