Big Tom has a great schedule, I train in the AM so mine is different but that's what you would want to do if you trained in the pm. Idk the exact times nor do I wish to be responsible for providing wrong information which can lead you to be hurt as far as insulin half life's. You will have to research that on your own. Brand name Novalog is the fastest and safest\most dangerous. It's the safest because as long as you get your 10g per 1iu right away min you are good. The longer acting insulins can be more dangerous. Novalin R is technically a fast acting insulin but also can last 5hrs so you can't go to sleep during that time unless you've have more than enough. Complex carbs to be safe. There are tons of types and the only 3 I'm really familiar with are Novalog, Novalin R, Lantus. Lantus is an all day insulin that has no leaks and is very same as far as hypoglycemia goes. It works best when stacked with rapid insulin on high carb days only. Lantus is probably the best overall slin for mass and SAFTEY but it causes insulin resistance very fast and can lead to diabetes. And yea you should read as much as you can. I was always against insulin but I've been on GH for a while and I'm already sensitive to carbs so I decided to add slin only on training days pre workout to help my pancreas because I'm bulking and eating a ton of carbs right now. Since novalin R peaks 3 times taking it pre workout I get the first peak while training and the 2nd post workout meal. And the 3rd a couple hours later when I eat again. Novalog is in and out so if you take it pre it will be completely gone post workout and will have to dose again like Big Tom does. I would do this but Novalog is so easy to buy OTC and it's like $22 so that's why I use that instead. It's not as good as Novalog because you can't control it as well. Insulin is super scary but if you make 100% sure each and every dose is dosed correctly, you take your carbs right away and you make sure to have carbs on you just Incase it's not scary at all. You just can't space out and die 50iu instead of 5 or go to the gym and forget your shake. This is what most real big guys do. The ultimate would be Lantus in the morning and Novalog pre and post. Dave polumbo has a few good videos about HGH and insulin sensitivity. The more info the better in anything In life. Especially if your life depends on it.
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Insulin and GH at the same time?
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BigTomJ
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no 5iu with two meals is very moderate/conservative as far as insulin goes
Hamd19
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Yeah I need to deepen my knowledge about insulin it's still a bit fuzzy for me
Here's the one my brother takes do you know this brand, I actually bought it for him from a parmacy when I was in Turkey a couple of weeks ago.
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Hamd19
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Alright then, thanks BigTom
LSDPowerlifting
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This was the way I was taught to pin gh on this board, also, but why eat am and pm right when gh is about to peak? If you eat and then pin it avoids the rush of glucose a lot better I think. It was type2x who put me on to this recently, I've been slamming 20 and 30iu's the last 11 weeks and I'm hitting 80's after meals
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There isn't an insulin that peaks more than once. Your natural insulin is helping get rid of the meal, and you're left with the exogenous slin in your bloodstream still dipping your bg. If you ate 6 snacks you could say it peaks 6 times by this logic. Just spread the shake out to use more of the exo-slin and less endogenous slin, we're trying to give our pancreas a break here aren't we?
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We're not training during the hgh injections anyway, it's the same amount of glucose being redistributed when we're being inactive, so what would it have to do with fat loss either way? I'd do it this way so that I'm not causing my pancreas to produce more insulin all at once and also so I'm not exposing cells to that high of insulin all at once. I'm down with a growth phase, I was recently having my food and endogenous insulin spike with 30iu shots of gh right as I began training without taking any slin and only using semaglutide to help control bg, I have no idea if I burned up my pancreas a little or not, but I've been on a single shot of novolin R the last week and bg is hitting 80's after every meal again, but it took 5 days to get it back there.
Sorry, you are right, I didn't word it properly. The onset is 30min and the peak is between 2 to 5 hrs. I get the benefit of the insulin for 3 meals from 1-10iu dose. Hamd19, that's what I was trying to say. With the Novalog the full 5iu is in effect right away where this novalins effects are spread out over a longer period and it's not exactly the same every time or for every person. For BB purposes Novalog is the best for that reason. 5iu isnt a large dose of Novalog in a single dose. That covers 50g carbs which isn't hard to eat. Your muscles can only store so much glycogen at once so doing it like that allows the muscles to be filled to the max twice without storing much fat since the timing and other drugs make the body prefer sending nutrients to the muscle instead of fat cells
So I use 6iu gh split dose am/post or prebed.
20 iu lantus am
8 iu humalog pwo
10iu post
Out of log atm ,still on lantus..I have taken it more than pre/post..but along w gh it can get pricey..
Protocol I was given before was gh 2 iu IM - 30 TO 45 min log ,do this every meal as u can see its pricey and with a full time job can't always be done that easily, not in my field anyway
20 iu lantus am
8 iu humalog pwo
10iu post
Out of log atm ,still on lantus..I have taken it more than pre/post..but along w gh it can get pricey..
Protocol I was given before was gh 2 iu IM - 30 TO 45 min log ,do this every meal as u can see its pricey and with a full time job can't always be done that easily, not in my field anyway
LSDPowerlifting
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I got a type 2 diabetic friend who takes 8 units of lantus every morning and that's it, he eats high fat meals and ice cream a couple of times per day. How much do you eat in a day with 38iu slin?
Why not take gh and insulin in the same pin pre or postWO??
You can. Nothing against it. Someone will probably argue against my approach.
The biggest factor is simply being consistent. Get your GH in (and slin if you’re using it) without going hypo or developing diabetes and you’ll get the majority of benefit regardless of exact details.
@Mac11wildcat is right, you just have to be consistent with HGH, i took it in any fashion way and never saw any changes.
Huma/NovoLog used pre and post wo is the best protocol ever. We don't really need any other shots during the day.
I tried Lantus many times at max 30iu daily before bed and it always screwed up my blood glucose readings, i really have no idea why it does that.
If I take it before bed i wake up with a fasted glucose reading higher than 10 to 15 points than without it.
Huma/NovoLog used pre and post wo is the best protocol ever. We don't really need any other shots during the day.
I tried Lantus many times at max 30iu daily before bed and it always screwed up my blood glucose readings, i really have no idea why it does that.
If I take it before bed i wake up with a fasted glucose reading higher than 10 to 15 points than without it.
Great. This is my first time combining them. Doing 10iu humalog pre and post 4-5x per week and right now working up to 5iu gh all prewo. I’ve been taking the skin and gh immediately prewo
