Insulin discussed

That shit really makes my fucking blood boil. How about we all go over to evo and start threads that have little or no substance and are full of shit. See how long it lasts.
 
That shit really makes my fucking blood boil. How about we all go over to evo and start threads that have little or no substance and are full of shit. See how long it lasts.

If someone went to Evo and started threads that have little or no substance and are full of shit, then I imagine they would fit right in.

Seems like people get banned (or have their passwords changed) when they make legitimate threads on evo.
 
If someone went to Evo and started threads that have little or no substance and are full of shit, then I imagine they would fit right in.

Seems like people get banned (or have their passwords changed) when they make legitimate threads on evo.

Seeing as I was once behind the iron curtain at Ology I can kind of speak on these matters. I think the password changes happen bc you get added to a certain user group, in Ology's case it's called miserable users, which basically bans you without banning you. It doesn't allow you to log in but it doesn't say banned under your name either.
 
Seeing as I was once behind the iron curtain at Ology I can kind of speak on these matters. I think the password changes happen bc you get added to a certain user group, in Ology's case it's called miserable users, which basically bans you without banning you. It doesn't allow you to log in but it doesn't say banned under your name either.

If passwords can be changed, can mods access user accounts and read PMs?
 
If passwords can be changed, can mods access user accounts and read PMs?

On Ology Admin were able to and in fact did read PMs. I've seen proof of this several times. I wasn't a mod long enough to know if I was able to but I don't think so. On Mugzy's board I do not have the ability to read anyone's PMs. I know Mugzy can but doesn't for privacy reasons.
 
On Ology Admin were able to and in fact did read PMs. I've seen proof of this several times. I wasn't a mod long enough to know if I was able to but I don't think so. On Mugzy's board I do not have the ability to read anyone's PMs. I know Mugzy can but doesn't for privacy reasons.
There's a plugin that has been available for vbulletin-based forums since 2006 that allows unscrupulous admins/mods to do this:

Unscrupulous Admins of any vbulletin-based message board can read member PMs if they install a simple hack.

MESO does not do this and never has.

I do not know if there is a way to detect whether a given vbulletin forum has this hack installed. Therefore, I recommend that you NEVER disclose any sensitive information in PMs. Always assume someone else is reading your PMs.

For further information, see:

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=123166

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/mesos-private-messaging.134249377/#post-521180
 
On Ology Admin were able to and in fact did read PMs. I've seen proof of this several times. I wasn't a mod long enough to know if I was able to but I don't think so. On Mugzy's board I do not have the ability to read anyone's PMs. I know Mugzy can but doesn't for privacy reasons.

That's a scary thought. I think most people have no idea their personal conversations are vulnerable.

Even if mods couldn't read PMs at Steroidology, it seems the technology doesn't stand in theway provided the admin allows it. I bet there are forums where mods do have that power.
 
There's a plugin that has been available for vbulletin-based forums since 2006 that allows unscrupulous admins/mods to do this:



https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/mesos-private-messaging.134249377/#post-521180

Im pretty sure Mugzy has talked about this a few times and as I mentioned I've seen evidence of the invasion of privacy on Ology several times. There is no doubt in my mind that the Admin/s of Ology are unscrupulous and that's putting it mildly.
 
That's a scary thought. I think most people have no idea their personal conversations are vulnerable.

Even if mods couldn't read PMs at Steroidology, it seems the technology doesn't stand in theway provided the admin allows it. I bet there are forums where mods do have that power.

Most members have absolutely no idea it happens. I was there for several months before I found out. Not directly related to the topic at hand but I remember a member named Turkey something on Ology was banned for posting blood work from his Pinnacle gear. 600-700mg a week put him under 1500ng/dL for TT. He himself had no idea whether that was good or bad, all he did was attach the file of his blood work. A day or two later he was banned.

I challenged an Uncle Z/PSL rep who said he wasn't a rep anymore but he was giving credit to an "amazing lab". I said then why does it still say rep under your name. I was banned two days later.

A friend was scammed by PSL and was banned for bringing it to light. A PSL rep by the name of Omega I believe bad mouthed my friend when he couldn't even defend himself so I stepped in. I was banned shortly thereafter.

I have several more similar experiences but those are some highlights.

I'm sure I Admin wanted to, they can extend PM reading privileges to mods. It's probably a simple programming issue is all but if they do so they give away some of their power and I would think the unscrupulous admins would want to hoard it for themselves and consolidate it not hand it out.
 
Any of you guys using insulin on your cycle now? Insulin can give you great results but it can be dangerous, here's a good read: http://www.evolutionary.org/insulin-peptide. I have limited insulin experience, and gained fat when I was using it, so wasn't too happy. How about you guys?

Well that's not surprising mate! This topic has been discussed recently and insulins SKM anabolic effect especially compared to GH and AAS is VERY LIMITED.
 
I don't mind him promoting his board as long as no BS products are being pushed.

As for the article, much of its just wrong. Whoever wrote it may want to consider retaking a high school Bio class. I'm no genius but just skimming the article I see many false claims of what insulin does.

Is Evo the sister site of EF? Is Kronk and his board still around?


That's bc it's not evidence based and NOT SUPPORTED by any references. Hey I'll write a similar citation and boast the power of MY UGL slin. Awesome shit Jim's slin's is ya no!
 
Alright, so you skimmed the article and you are saying it's incorrect? ok, thanks for the feedback. We are always looking for writers who have a Biology backgrounds such as yourself. What's your email? We will get in touch with you about writing, so we can grace the world with your knowledge. :)

WTF are you doing on Meso with this BS "ANIMAL". Go solicit members elsewhere, bc if that's what is lacking on Evo there is a damn good reason and I've no doubt writing some OP-ed piece won't change things. Oh what to do?

Get rid of those Evo mods first and foremost which ban folks for ANY negative commentary about the SARMS being sold on EVO.

Let us know once that is DONE, perhaps then others may be interested in the opinion of some unknown author with unknown credentials has posted about the "risks and benefits" of insulin.
 
Well that's not surprising mate! This topic has been discussed recently and insulins SKM anabolic effect especially compared to GH and AAS is VERY LIMITED.

Would you mind explaining the mechanism in which GH induces anabolism? All the info iv seen on it says the opposite. The conclusion always seemed to be something along the lines of the systemic igf-1 increase isn't anabolic.

However none of those studies were in conjunction with anabolic which is supposed to be the environment where GH really shines. Interested I. Hearing your feedback.
 
Like I said, I'm no genius. Let's quote a few lines from the article.

"When insulin is injected, protein and other nutrients will rapidly shuttle into the muscles. This means you will be able to utilize far more protein than a normal person. For this reason, bodybuilders will use insulin before a meal to increase anabolism."

Insulin mechanism is far more broad than this, going well beyond muscle tissue. Furthermore there is zero evidence that you would require far more protein. Since it has a significant effect in reducing protein degradation less should actually be required.
Finaly, endogenous insulin plays primary role in storing nutrients. Doesn't have to be injected.

Also it's mechanism for increasing protein synthesis in godly amounts is unknown. It's has nothing to do with "rapid shuttling" otherwise there would be no point in injecting it. A healthy pancreas does a great job.

"Professional bodybuilders will take 10-20iu’s or more per day; a new user does not need to take this much."

Modern Pro's take more insulin than most can comprehend. Where talking 100's of iu's, a supraphysilogical amount. 10-20 iu wont do much and many say it won't do anything at all.

"After a workout, inject 3-4iu’s of Humulin R (fast acting insulin); immediately after, take a protein shake consisting of 150g of mixed carbohydrates and 40g of protein. Then 30 minutes later eat a well balanced meal of protein, carbs, and vegetables. Monitor how you feel, if you need some juice or a candy bar, have them on hand. After 3-4 hours you are safe."

3-4 iu's is a waste of time and you know it. All that will be accomplished is raising fasting blood glucose. There will be no further anabolism.


Excellent rebuttal Intensity, but unfortunately MOST non-professional "BB", which is the overwhelming majority haven't the faintest idea what to do or not to do with insulin.

Such as: what preparation is optimal, what dosing interval should be utilized and why,
the most reliable means of monitoring "therapy", how to limit side effects, what side effects are a trite occurrence and which are not.

Really the list is almost endless esp for some naive and impressionable novice.

Oh the 3-4 IU you mentioned is actually listed in some protocols as the effective dose, LMAO and worse yet quite a few "lifters" (most being weekend warriors) believe that SHIT!
 
Would you mind explaining the mechanism in which GH induces anabolism? All the info iv seen on it says the opposite. The conclusion always seemed to be something along the lines of the systemic igf-1 increase isn't anabolic.

However none of those studies were in conjunction with anabolic which is supposed to be the environment where GH really shines. Interested I. Hearing your feedback.

Surely your not suggesting GH thru the action of IGF in particular is catabolic? I know there are quite a few 'scientists" who rebut the anabolic effects of GH often citing select articles to support their argument but for the truly objective fella the evidence is not refutable IMO.

That being said clarify what your asking for regarding the GH/IGF mechanism of anabolism. Incidentally the physiology of the two "hormones" can not be placed into a white and black box bc in many ways GH and IGF mutually inclusive and in others exclusive.

I ask bc I really don't believe the evidence of GH/IGF influencing anabolic activity is that difficult to locate on either medline or Google for that matter.

Regs
JIM
 
Surely your not suggesting GH thru the action of IGF in particular is catabolic? I know there are quite a few 'scientists" who rebut the anabolic effects of GH often citing select articles to support their argument but for the truly objective fella the evidence is not refutable IMO.

That being said clarify what your asking for regarding the GH/IGF mechanism of anabolism. Incidentally the physiology of the two "hormones" can not be placed into a white and black box bc in many ways GH and IGF mutually inclusive and in others exclusive.

I ask bc I really don't believe the evidence of GH/IGF influencing anabolic activity is that difficult to locate on either medline or Google for that matter.

Regs
JIM
No, it's certainly not catabolic. However it's anti-catabolic effects seem to leave a lot to be desired considering price.

I'm asking what mechanisms supraphyiological doses of gh create anabolism. When a therapeutic dosage is given to the deficient results are seen but I haven't seen the same replicated in healthy individuals. The entire increase in LBM was attributed to water in the healthy and increases in protein synthesis were non skeletal.

Clearly GH is doing something at least when combined with a hefty dose of anabolics. How it does it is over my head.

I understand how autocrine igf-1 yeild sits anabolic effect; however from what I know these large boluses of GH just increase hepatic.

Could it be possible that large amounts of GH further influences myofibrillar proliferation of heavy androgens? Yet are incapable of doing so on its own?

As I said a little complicated for me.
 
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