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Hey everyone, just wanted to introduce myself. I've been lifting natty since I was in high school. Im 27 years old, 5'9, currently at about 180 lbs, and I just took the dive and got some of pep's test-e for my first cycle. I've done a bunch of research on this board and have decided on doing 8 weeks 500mg test-e with aromasin on hand and clomid and nolva for pct. Can't seem to find any hcg but will keep looking for it as I've read it's good to use on cycle so my boys dont fall asleep and pct is faster and smoother. (i had blood work done yesterday...will do blood work again toward the end of my cycle and more bloodwork a few weeks after pct is done). Anyways, just wanted to say hello and thank you for the wealth of knowledge. this board kicks ass.
 
Welcome fella at only 500mg of T-e weekly PCT using ONE and especially TWO SERMS is unnecessary at your PRIME TT production age of TWENTY SEVEN. Moreover, HCG is also unnecessary at your age, IMO

While the P[CT meds wont hurt your recovery the benefit achieved is limited to perhaps a couple of weeks.

Understand most of the PCT that is discussed on boards is a one size fits all approach. PCT is necessary and beneficial at your age when the cycle involves two and especially three drugs.

PCT should be modifiable to fit the cyclist much like a patient with pneumonia.

What's that doc? Well younger patients can often be managed with ONE antibiotic yet the "elderly" often require TWO or even THREE antibiotics. PCT SHOULD be thought of in a similar light IMO. That is HTPA recovery risk factors determine the drug, dosage and duration of PCT.

About the only drug you need is TIME after the cycle for recovery but IF you just gotta take something start a SERM FOUR WEEKS after your last pinning.

jim :)
 
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oh yea this I can't over emphasize. The following labs should be obtained BEFORE you begin that first cycle:
1) LH
2) E-2
3) TT

4) Free Testosterone level
5) SHBG
6) FSH

The first three are mandatory while the latter three are more optional.

jim
:)
 
Dr JIM said:
oh yea this I can't over emphasize. The following labs should be obtained BEFORE you begin that first cycle:
1) LH
2) E-2
3) TT

4) Free Testosterone level
5) SHBG
6) FSH

The first three are mandatory while the latter three are more optional.

jim
:)
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Hi Jim,

First of all, I just want to say thank you for taking the time to respond and offer me your advice. I truly appreciate it and will follow it. You will be happy to hear that I had my blood drawn a few days ago (before my first pin) and not only am I being tested for everything you mentioned but also a full lipid profile and a bunch of other stuff as well. If it's cool with you, I'd like to keep you posted when I get my results (Tuesday). I plan on getting more bloodwork done while on cycle so I can see if the gear is working and then some bloodwork a few weeks after all is out of my system to ensure everything goes back to base levels. I have Aromasin, do you suggest I use it or keep it on hand and only use if I see symptoms?

Again thanks much for the kind welcome and knowledge.
 
Welcome to MESO-Rx! And congratulations on doing your research and have your blood work monitored. Most people never test their hormone, etc. levels prior to messing with their HPTA. It provides a good baseline so that you will know what is 'normal' for you and a good way to evaluate HPTA recovery.
 
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Thanks Millard. I really appreciate you vets taking the time to read my intro and welcome me to meso. One thing I have learned from my research is that using AAS and manipulating your HPTA is not something to take lightly so I wanted to make sure and cover all bases. I should get my baseline test results by early next week, I will keep you guys posted. I really appreciate any help I can get from the vets on this board. I see a lot of new guys with 2013 join dates making claims and offering advice, which is fine and great but when I see a post from one of the veterans who have been here for over a year, I definitely take heed and pay close attention. Thanks again, glad to be here.
 
Whats up ohm! I would welcome you but I am a newbie also. lol How did you get your blood test done? I mean did you use your doc or somewhere else?
 
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Whats up ohm! I would welcome you but I am a newbie also. lol How did you get your blood test done? I mean did you use your doc or somewhere else?
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Hey Joe! I just wen to the doc and asked him to test for the following and handed him a list that I had prepared before arriving. There are a bunch of private labs that will do bloodwork for a nominal charge but I'm in one of the unlucky states where you have to actually get a doctors note. The upside is it's covered by my insurance so I won't have to pay! :-bd
 
ohm said:
Hi Jim,

First of all, I just want to say thank you for taking the time to respond and offer me your advice. I truly appreciate it and will follow it. You will be happy to hear that I had my blood drawn a few days ago (before my first pin) and not only am I being tested for everything you mentioned but also a full lipid profile and a bunch of other stuff as well. If it's cool with you, I'd like to keep you posted when I get my results (Tuesday). I plan on getting more bloodwork done while on cycle so I can see if the gear is working and then some bloodwork a few weeks after all is out of my system to ensure everything goes back to base levels. I have Aromasin, do you suggest I use it or keep it on hand and only use if I see symptoms?

Again thanks much for the kind welcome and knowledge.
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Should AI's be used PROPHYLACTICALLY is a relatively common question and if you want to KIS then the answer is sure, and why not?

Why not, because lowering your E-2 "to much" MAY cause sexual dysfunction (no solid proof exists), could cause lipid elevations (some are more prone), can result in alterations in BONE mineral density, adversely effect AAS mediated anabolism (again limited evidence exists)

Consequently providing the course of AI therapy is limited to more than a couple of months the abnormalities are short lived as are the sequela, IMO. BUT AI's are , drugs and if ya don't benefit from their use DON'T use em. That's been my mantra!

My suggestion are as follows, take an AI IF:

1) You have had a history of E-2 related side effects from prior cycles

2) You have a history of marked gynecomastia in which the addition of an AI (to SERM tx) is required for management

3) If the COMBINED weekly dose of aromatizable AAS in a cycle approximate 1000mg

4) The moment E-2 related side effects are noted (don't wait for a "worsening"

STAY IN TOUCH and we'll try to aid and improve your ride, fella.

JIM :)
 
Dr JIM said:
Should AI's be used PROPHYLACTICALLY is a relatively common question and if you want to KIS then the answer is sure, and why not?

Why not, because lowering your E-2 "to much" MAY cause sexual dysfunction (no solid proof exists), could cause lipid elevations (some are more prone), can result in alterations in BONE mineral density, adversely effect AAS mediated anabolism (again limited evidence exists)

Consequently providing the course of AI therapy is limited to more than a couple of months the abnormalities are short lived as are the sequela, IMO. BUT AI's are , drugs and if ya don't benefit from their use DON'T use em. That's been my mantra!

My suggestion are as follows, take an AI IF:

1) You have had a history of E-2 related side effects from prior cycles

2) You have a history of marked gynecomastia in which the addition of an AI (to SERM tx) is required for management

3) If the COMBINED weekly dose of aromatizable AAS in a cycle approximate 1000mg

4) The moment E-2 related side effects are noted (don't wait for a "worsening"

STAY IN TOUCH and we'll try to aid and improve your ride, fella.

JIM :)
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Jim, thank you again for the great advice! After reading your four points, I am going to hold off on the AI unless I start to see E-2 side effects. I will definitely keep in touch! Thanks again!
 
Dr JIM said:
Should AI's be used PROPHYLACTICALLY is a relatively common question and if you want to KIS then the answer is sure, and why not?

Why not, because lowering your E-2 "to much" MAY cause sexual dysfunction (no solid proof exists), could cause lipid elevations (some are more prone), can result in alterations in BONE mineral density, adversely effect AAS mediated anabolism (again limited evidence exists)

Consequently providing the course of AI therapy is limited to more than a couple of months the abnormalities are short lived as are the sequela, IMO. BUT AI's are , drugs and if ya don't benefit from their use DON'T use em. That's been my mantra!

My suggestion are as follows, take an AI IF:

1) You have had a history of E-2 related side effects from prior cycles

2) You have a history of marked gynecomastia in which the addition of an AI (to SERM tx) is required for management

3) If the COMBINED weekly dose of aromatizable AAS in a cycle approximate 1000mg

4) The moment E-2 related side effects are noted (don't wait for a "worsening"

STAY IN TOUCH and we'll try to aid and improve your ride, fella.

JIM :)
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This is pretty cool. So if I understood right was has been said, the younger you are the less pct/ AI drugs you should have to take? (But still keep everything at your side)
 
Welcome to MESO, I have never gotten my bloods done and I am just fin..........wait........chest is tight.......gotta go :D
 
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