They stand out though because technically they are still on meso, they just dont bother anymore. But they are on like 5 other forums, and there arent too many raw vendors on here currently. Prices are high and quality isnt even good right now. I know blind testing from Analiza isnt as good as janoshik, but its not as bad as the useless chinese tests that some of the vendors on meso post for their products. I dont know, i just want to keep my options open. When there is little to no competition, vendors arent motivated to bring prices down or purity up