Is 20 weeks too long????

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This is my new cycle, tell me what you think:

Week 1-10: Tren @150mg/ Test prop @100mg EOD

Week 2-10: Winny @ 100mg EOD

Week 11-20: Masteron 100mg/ Test Prop @50mg 5 days a week (mon,tues.,thurs.,friday, sat.)

Week 1-20: Clen for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off 40-100mcg for 2 weeks

Week 3-9: T3 at 25-100mcg ramping up and down
Week 14-20: T3 at 25-100mcg ramping up and down

PCT: Clomid, Nolva, and HCG


I was wondering if this cycle is too long to run at once, should I do 10 weeks then take off for a few weeks then do another 10 week cycle?This will be my third cycle. I have been training for about 5 years and I am 6'4 320lbs and about 20% bf. I am looking to lose bodyfat while on this cycle and looking to harden up. I want to lean down a good bit because I have enough mass right now. I will be on a very low carb diet and doing cardio 4 days a week. I would like to get down to around 280 and 10-12% bodyfat. I am just running the test as a baseline, i dont want any bloat while on this cycle and this is why the test is such a low dosage. Help me out with this cycle if you have any suggestions

 

[bigpun]

Dont know your stats or prior history. I would up the prop to 150 mg EOD. Unless you have the money and lower bf, I would not use the masteron and I dont like winny. I think just the test/tren is a good idea. I dont think the winny will help much more, given you have the test and tren. I would also not use the t3 at a high dosage. I think you should keep it at a constant 25 mcg Ed no more than 50 mcg.

BigKarch,

My stats and prior history is in the paragraph below the cycle if you didnt read it. I think after my first 10 weeks, my bf will be low enough to run the masteron. I have heard good things about it no matter how much bf you have. Also, why not run the T3 at higher dosage? I heard it is not effective if not ran at around 100mcg. Also, dont you have to ramp up and down to protect your thyroid instead of just running 25 mcg ED for 6 weeks??

 

[Rex Feral]

BigKarch,

My stats and prior history is in the paragraph below the cycle if you didnt read it. I think after my first 10 weeks, my bf will be low enough to run the masteron. I have heard good things about it no matter how much bf you have. Also, why not run the T3 at higher dosage? I heard it is not effective if not ran at around 100mcg. Also, dont you have to ramp up and down to protect your thyroid instead of just running 25 mcg ED for 6 weeks??

Did you not just ask this question the other day on another thread?

Rex.

 

[Rex Feral]

Yes, you did. I just saw it. I knew I posted on it. You got some very good opinions from some good guys on here. What exactly is it that you are wanting to hear?

Rex.

 

[bigpun]

Yes, you did. I just saw it. I knew I posted on it. You got some very good opinions from some good guys on here. What exactly is it that you are wanting to hear?

Rex.

Rex,

I am just wondering if a 20 week cycle is too long to run, should i just run 12 or is this good? Also, people are telling me to switch my masteron to primo, if so what is the normal dosage for primo? And what kind of results should I look for on this cycle, should I meet my goals? Thanks for the responses.

 

[Rex Feral]

Rex,

I am just wondering if a 20 week cycle is too long to run, should i just run 12 or is this good? Also, people are telling me to switch my masteron to primo, if so what is the normal dosage for primo? And what kind of results should I look for on this cycle, should I meet my goals? Thanks for the responses.

No bro, I don't think 20 weeks is too long. Why would it be too long? I would not worry about switching to primo. What these people's fascination with primo is about is beyond me. I believe I told you on the other thread that the only thing I would do is go a little heavier in the last part you have listed to approach a total of 750mg-1g for the whole 20 weeks. If you want to add the primo, add it. Basically run a gram/week total for the 20 weeks w/ compounds that you have found to be favorable to you for your goals. Your main focus will be diet & training. I could achieve nearly any result I want, short of stepping on a national stage w/ 1gm week AAS/T, clen/t3, & ancillaries by training & dieting properly. I could do it w/ test alone. Some of these drugs you are choosing impart a cosmetic effect on a lean physique & not much else. There is nothing magical in selecting your compounds. These people love to try to micromanage the human body w/ asinine little protocols. Its a waste of time & money. Control your estrogen, diet properly, train properly, take your clen/t3, GH if you can afford it. Its that simple. Switching from Masteron to Primo will not do shit. LMK if you have any more questions.

Rex.

 

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No bro, I don't think 20 weeks is too long. Why would it be too long? I would not worry about switching to primo. What these people's fascination with primo is about is beyond me. I believe I told you on the other thread that the only thing I would do is go a little heavier in the last part you have listed to approach a total of 750mg-1g for the whole 20 weeks. If you want to add the primo, add it. Basically run a gram/week total for the 20 weeks w/ compounds that you have found to be favorable to you for your goals. Your main focus will be diet & training. I could achieve nearly any result I want, short of stepping on a national stage w/ 1gm week AAS/T, clen/t3, & ancillaries by training & dieting properly. I could do it w/ test alone. Some of these drugs you are choosing impart a cosmetic effect on a lean physique & not much else. There is nothing magical in selecting your compounds. These people love to try to micromanage the human body w/ asinine little protocols. Its a waste of time & money. Control your estrogen, diet properly, train properly, take your clen/t3, GH if you can afford it. Its that simple. Switching from Masteron to Primo will not do shit. LMK if you have any more questions.

Rex.

So do you think that I should even run the masteron or not? What should I run with the prop for the last 10 weeks? Also what do you mean when you say "go a little heavier in the last part you have listed to approach a total of 750mg-1g for the whole 20 weeks?" Does this mean to do a gram of AAS altogether, like the test/tren/ and winny should add up to 1g a week or just the test at 1g a week? I am a little confused right now so I would appreciate the help. What cycle would you suggest for me to get the results I want, I thought this would be a good cycle because a guy that I know did this cycle and dropped from 320lbs at 20% body fat to 270lbs with 10% bodyfat?? Just wondering what would be best without wasting money?? Thanks for everything.

 

[Rex Feral]

So do you think that I should even run the masteron or not? What should I run with the prop for the last 10 weeks? Also what do you mean when you say "go a little heavier in the last part you have listed to approach a total of 750mg-1g for the whole 20 weeks?" Does this mean to do a gram of AAS altogether, like the test/tren/ and winny should add up to 1g a week or just the test at 1g a week? I am a little confused right now so I would appreciate the help. What cycle would you suggest for me to get the results I want, I thought this would be a good cycle because a guy that I know did this cycle and dropped from 320lbs at 20% body fat to 270lbs with 10% bodyfat?? Just wondering what would be best without wasting money?? Thanks for everything.

I like Masteron, if finances are not an issue, I would stick with your original plan to use it. This will also help you get used to selecting your own compounds so you don't have to come on here & get all kinds of conflicting advice. You chose it, there is nothing wrong with it, stick with it. Its how I learned what works for me. I have not had to ask someone what they think I should use for over 10 years now.

What I mean by go a liitle heavier. Week 1-10, you are running 1gm total androgen per week. In week 11 you drop to 750. Its not a big issue @ all. It was a simple suggestion I made on your other thread that the only thing you might want to do is add to your total weekly dose on the back end. A slight tweak if finances are not a major concern. Its not a necessity by any means though, you could up the prop to 100mg 5x/wk or add another compound for 300-400 mg/wk. I said what I said about primo only because its not a cost effective drug. I like primo too if money is not an issue. You can accomplish your goals cheaper w/out it though. There is nothing magical about primo. Lee Haney told me in like 1990 to keep my total androgen dose @ a gm/week. That seemed high to me back then, but in retrospect its not. Its a more of a mental thing w/ me now. I know I can accomplish pretty much whatever I want to @ a gram/week if I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing otherwise.

LMK if you have any more questions.

Rex.

 

[MaxRep]

It looks like you've been around here long enough you should have seen some of the many conversations we've had on this and related subjects.

For your goals and considering your size and BF%, forget the winny, masteron and primo. Considering what masteron is and what it does, I doubt you even know why you're taking it.

Take enough Test and Tren, to retain the muscle... when taking the clen and T3 and dieting and doing cardio. You're not going to be adding any muscle while trying to lose 40 pounds. Somewhere around 500-600mg/week Test and 350-450mg/week Tren will do the job. Taking 250mg/week Test the 2nd half doesn't make sense as all you're doing is taking enough to replace what you're no longer producing naturally.

As far as any water retention from the test, at 20% BF, no one's going to notice. If you really think it's that big a deal, take some arimidex, which you should probably do anyway to prevent gyno and with one stroke you eliminate 2 concerns.

As far as higher dosages, if your goals were different, I'd say yes. For your situation and your goals, you really don't need any more AAS than that.

Also, unless you're doing very intensive cardio sessions, you should bump that up to 5 or 6 days a week. If you're doing standard 45 minute, mid level cardio then 5 or preferably 6 days a week works much better than 4 days. Keeping your metabolism elevated through cardio/training needs to be the foundation... the AAS prevents much muscle loss and the clen and T3 is just the icing on the fat burning cake.

Good luck,
MaxRep