Is DNP the easy way out

[Giovanni]

It seems like everyone is trying out DNP and getting pretty good results. Is it that good? Are the results that wonderful? Can you eat normal, train normal and get lean as hell? Do you burn fat like crazy or are there better and safer ways?

 

[ripdtoshredz]

Easy way out? As I'm learning there's nothing "easy" about DNP starting around Day 4

 

[DoiMiNioN]

Phreezer

Where did you read it breaks down DNA. It steals protons.. thats about it.. It actually has been found to a cancer fighting agent. Alot of people originally thought DNP will cause a large amount of free radicals which is what causes mutations in the DNA and cause cancer but this isnt the case.

Can you toss me alink to where you read that?? Just curious

peace

dom.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

depends how you look at it. if you base your fat loss on dnp, then sure, its a shortcut. if youre trying to bust off those last few killer pounds, its a training aid.

its the trenbolone of fat loss imo

 

[Fast Food]

are you fucking kidding me????

Macro?s DNP Supplements

200mg alpha lipoic acid 3x a day with meals
1200-1500mg magnesium in 2-3 divided doses.
2-3000mg vitamin C
1200IU of vitamin E
200mcg of selenium.
1000-2000mg of calcium (can?t take it with the magnesium, though. Take it before bed)
Melatonin if you can?t sleep and it is also one of the best and cheapest anti-oxidants.
50mg of zinc a day
one iron tab as hemoglobin is a protein as well.
A potassium gluconate tab or two a day
Taurine at 3g a day.
Glutamine at 15g-20g a day .
1 table spoon glycerol 3 x a day
at least 2 gallons of water
a fan to point at your head while sleeping- or at work- basically anytime you can point a fan at you
500mg grapeseed extract
300mg cranberry extract
600-900mg of green tea
a good mulit vitamin
EC+1g of tyrosine 3x per day and 20mg of yohimbine topically 2x per day- for added energy and fat burning effects



I'D BE SHITTING OUT FLINTSTONE VITMAINS!!!!!!!!!

 

[GoldenDelicious]

eh the supplement list is a load of crap. sorry to say but it looks to have been written by someone who sells supplements. goerge spellwin?

anyway imo (pharmacist) glycerol, C, E, and maybe an electrolyte replacement every now and again are all you should be thinking about.

i read the rationale behind half of the supps and i thought geez someone really really wants to sell this shit

bottom line: STAY HYDRATED. KEEP ELECTROLYTES NORMAL. STAY COOL. USE ANTIOXIDANTS. thats it.

cheers

 

[protagonist]

very informative and had some good info the dnp sticky lacked. BUMP

 

[Tank01]

I love DNP... its the best shit... and no its not easy.. its hell

later,

 

[Quasimoto]

over 400 mg

I love DNP... its the best shit... and no its not easy.. its hell

later,

Bump , DNP at doses over 400 mg per day werent easy for me either, and i have a desk job in an A/C office. I couldnt venture too far from my fans without sweating like a MO-FO. Totally worth it for me though, make the decision yourself. Read H's article on how not to fuck up DNP, read animals post on n0neck.com . I picked the worst week so far this summer to do it, since its been 90-95+ every day for 10-12 days where i live.

 

[ryan400]

Bro for me DNP was the best fat burner I ever tried by far I lost 15 lbs in three weeks I ran it at 200 and 400 mgs EOD. I know there are safer ways to lose weight, but DNP was the most effective. It made me uncomfortable all the time(constantly sweating) but it was worth it IMO.

 

[Olm323]

everyones covered the bases here... just be on top of your shit while on, and dont fuck things up. i recently had a buddy fuck up and mistakenly take a double dose in the morning.... luckily he was already running a small dose so it wasnt a huge issue... but about a week in he got a case of food poisoning and mistook it as sides from the DNP and didnt stop using... needless to say he ran into big trouble and almost bought the farm basically. now i know you all will say... "well your buddies an idiot"... lol, and yes in this case he was... but you really need to pay attention to your overall health and listen to your body more than anything.

 

[tHe_ShOcKeR]

well....your buddies an idiot.

i kid...i kid...

but seriously, i am currently in a cycle of 600mg a day, and i've honestly never had so much fun in my life. its GREAT! especially when i get up away from my trusty fan to go take a piss every 15 minutes from drinking so much goddamn water and by the time i get back, i'm drenched in sweat! sweating is FUN!

 

[Andriol]

Yes I am a newbie lol

But although DNP is an abbreviation what is DNP unabbreviated?

Curious!

 

[FIREFLY]

dinitrophenol ...

 

[Mr Fuznut]

Why are all these really old DNP threads always bumping up recently?

 

[Grizzly]

Don't know, but for some folks on this board, yes, it's the easy way out. Too fucking lazy and fat to actually exercise and diet.

 

[13fingers]

Make sure you educate yourself a lot before using DNP......it's crucial. If used right it's a great tool. If not then it's a fatal one.

 

[mr.nitro]

just about every suplement we take could be considered "an easy way out". instead i consider it useing the tools we have to achive the goals we want.

 

[Joffa]

Why are all these really old DNP threads always bumping up recently?

Fat loss for summertime?

 

[PillarofBalance]

courtesy of EliteFitness Platinum

Boasting an astounding 50% increase in metabolic rate, DNP is the most effective fat burner that bodybuilders are using today to melt away the last amounts of diet resilient fat on their physiques. For comparison purposes, the ECA stack, which is also a highly effective fat loss tool, produces only a 3% increase in metabolic rate. Athletes reporting fat losses of 10-12 pounds in 8 days of use have further added to the DNP mystique. However, DNP is also the deadliest substance used in bodybuilding - so deadly, that it has killed athletes including one member of Elite Fitness.

In this issue of Elite Fitness News, I?ll tell you more about DNP, share the precautions you should take if you decide to use it, and give you the reasons why you should avoid it in favor of other diet drugs and supplements that are not nearly so dangerous.
DNP or 2,4-Dinitrophenol, (Pronounced die ni'tro fe' nolz) is an industrial chemical with various applications such as making dyes, wood preservatives, explosives, insect control substances, other chemicals, and as a photographic developer. Sold under several trade names, including Caswell No. 392, Sulfo Black B, and Nitro Kleenup, DNP has recently gained steady popularity as a fat loss tool.

DNP was used in diet pills in the 1930s, but was banned for this use in 1938. Classified as an "uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation," medically, DNP is quite dangerous. You see, the body has no negative feedback system that may deal with overdoses. Specifically, there is no upper limit to the increase in body temperature that may be obtained with DNP?s use.

The following article combines several theories to form what is perhaps the single best way to cycle DNP for maximum fat-loss benefits. As I mentioned earlier, DNP can be deadly and I would never use it myself nor would I ever recommend that anyone ingest it. The casual use of DNP for dieting is ridiculous. Hearing reports of athletes using DNP before trying a Cyclical Ketogenic Diet, legal diet supplements, and medically supervised weight loss drugs is crazy. Here are a few links to effective weight loss supplements, drugs, and strategies that are much safer than DNP and are certainly a much better alternative for all but the most elite bodybuilders.

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That said, if an athlete makes the personal decision to use DNP, it is possible to take precautions to maximize its benefits and minimize the potential risks.

The 7-day DNP fat loss inferno cycle:

The 7-day DNP fat loss inferno cycle involves a moderate to high dosage of DNP for fat burning. The DNP fat loss inferno involves a 7-day on, 7-day off approach with four distinct phases. Most athletes using DNP follow this type of cycle. The phases are as follows:

Phase 1: The 3-day Carb-Depletion Phase.
Phase 2: The 1-day Thyroxine (T3) Re-normalization Phase.
Phase 3: The 14-day DNP Inferno Phase.
Phase 4: The 2-day Post-DNP Phase.

Phase 1. The 3-day Carb-depletion phase
Phase One has a three-day duration and begins the four days preceding the ingestion of DNP. The purpose of this phase is to deplete muscle-glycogen content by restricting carbohydrates. This is achieved through a Ketogenic style diet.

Kcals should be restricted to 10-12 times bodyweight in lbs. And carbohydrates should be restricted to less than 60g/day. Protein is consumed at 1 gram per pound of bodyweight or higher and the remaining dietary calories should come from fat.

This phase lasts exactly 3 days, and will reduce muscle-glycogen levels so that the body is forced to rely on fat as fuel more readily when you start your DNP cycle.

Phase 2 The 1-day Thyroxine (T3) Re-normalization Phase
This is a new concept for DNP dieting. During the past three days, the athlete has restricted carbohydrates and as a direct consequence T4-T3 conversion is slowed down resulting in reduced T3 levels. This is bad for the DNP phase, as you need enough active T3 to last throughout the entire 7-day on DNP phase.

Day four of the DNP cycle involves a mega-carbohydrate meal at mid-afternoon (4-6PM) designed to create a massive insulin spike and re-normalize T4-T3. This concept has been extrapolated from ketogenic diets and has been shown to dramatically increase serum concentrations of T3.

Day 4 involves Keto eating until the Mega-carb meal. Then in the late afternoon, at least circa 250g of carbohydrates must be consumed to create an insulin spike. Any sugar (fructose, sucrose, maltose etc.) is fair game. Fructose in particular is good because it primarily re-fills liver glycogen which is directly involved in T4-T3 conversion. (Empty liver glycogen signals the thyroid to decrease T4-T3 conversion).

As a side-note, a 250g carb-meal after three days of Keto dieting creates a more pronounced insulin spike than would a 250g carb-meal after three days of normal eating.

Kcals during Phase 2 should be kept at 15X Bodyweight in lbs. Macro-nutrient break-downs can be calculated by the athlete. The only carb intake on day 4 should be the 250g carb-meal.

Phase 3 The 14-Day DNP Phase

The first two days of actual DNP consumption are the most important to follow correctly. During Days 1 and 2 of the actual DNP portion of the cycle, it must be determined if the athlete will have an allergic reaction to DNP.

Day 1: 200 mg of DNP is ingested
Day 2: 200 mg of DNP is ingested

At this point the dieter should be able to assess if an allergic reaction has occurred. A DNP-stimulated allergic reaction will lead to swelling in as little as 1 to 2 days time. Approximately 10% of athletes will have such a reaction. The unfortunate few who experience this type of a reaction must terminate the cycle immediately. Benadryl or Ketotifen (Anti-histamines) can be used to treat mild symptoms. Obviously a doctor should be consulted should the symptoms prove more severe.

Day 3: Dieters making it to day 3 of the DNP phase have the option of increasing their dosage. The normal dosage for beginners is 400mg DNP/day. Even an amount this small should provide outstanding results. A word of caution. DO NOT TAKE MORE, if you are not experienced with DNP-use. More advanced users may chose to go higher based on past experience.
The 400mg/day dosage is maintained from Day 3 through Day 9(Exactly 7 days). The last dose is taken on Day 9.

Supplementation and Nutritional Protocol for a DNP cycle:

1. An ECA stack is beneficial while on a DNP cycle as it as it acts as an anorectant. DNP raises Neuro-peptide Y levels in the brain, which is directly linked to increased hunger. Consuming 75-100mg total of ephedrine alkaloids/day should be sufficient to suppress appetite. PPA (Nor-ephedrine) should NOT be used as it causes lethargy when combined with DNP.

2. Anti-oxidants. Due to the DNP induced rapid combustion of fats, free-radical production skyrockets up-wards. To combat this, anti-oxidants must be used. Anti-oxidants are the single most important supplement to take on a DNP cycle.

a) Fat-soluble Anti-O: Vitamin E: 1000mgs/day
b) Water-soluble Anti-O: Vitamin C: 2-3g/day
c) Alpha Lipoic acid: 600-1000mgs/day

Dual-anti-oxidant: BOTH fat & water-soluble actually re-cycles other anti-oxidants.

3. Glycerol: Although optional, glycerol is often consumed at 15ml's 3X/day. Glycerol increases hydration for many athletes.
No additional supplements are really required other than these three. All the rest you have read in various DNP articles are more for peace of mind than improved functionality. I consider them overkill.

4. Water: Not a supplement, but an absolute necessity.
DNP causes sweating and can be incredibly dehydrating. Dehydration is the NUMBER ONE cause of most DNP problems and deaths. Excessive dehydration results in over-heating. Dieters who do not replenish fluids properly while on a DNP cycle could die. The consensus among athletes is that at least two gallons of water must be consumed daily.

5. EAT FRUIT while on your DNP cycle.

Fruit for some reason has been found to greatly reduce the lethargy associated with a DNP cycle. It also has a high water content, therefore it helps to keep the dieter hydrated. Watermelon is an obvious recommendation.

6. Dietary intake: There are several schools of thought on this matter, but sticking to the old standard always works.
Kcals should be kept anywhere from 10-15X Bodyweight in lbs. Macro-nutrient break-downs should be kept at around 20% fat, 30% protein and 50% carbs. (Changing the ratios in favor of more carbs and protein w/ less fat will result in a more fat loss but nothing special. Also, remember that more carbohydrates means more heat.)

Take for example the 220 lb (100 kg) bodybuilder. He would consume anywhere from 2200 to 3300Kcal /day (Depending on his appetite control).

WHAT NOT TO DO on a DNP cycle.

a) Do not under any circumstances consume alcohol or ANY type of diuretic while on a DNP cycle. Alcohol and diuretics will dehydrate you and can cause SERIOUS problems.
b) Do not remain in a hot environment without replenishing fluid loss due to perspiration. This too can also cause SERIOUS problems.
c) Do not begin with a high dosage of DNP if you are a novice. This is just asking for a trip to the ICU.

The half-life of 2,4 Dinitrophenol is 36 hours. So, after 36 hours, there is only 50% of the DNP remaining in your system. Therefore, 72 hours later 25% remains. Then 12.5% remains after 108 hours. After 5 days (120 hours), there's roughly 9% of the DNP left in your body that you had on Day 9. This DNP concentration is low-enough to allow you to begin Phase 4 of the cycle -- the 2-day Post-DNP phase -- without compromising glycogen synthesis rates. Kcals during Days 10-14 should remain the same as during days 3-9.

Phase 4: The 2 day Post DNP Phase.

The whole purpose of this phase is to get muscle-glycogen levels back to normal. The Ketogenic carb-up can be used as a sort of template for this phase.

After Phases two and three, muscle-glycogen levels are depressed and need to be replenished.

Day 15: Carb-intake should be 7g/Kg of LBM (lean body mass = bodyweight minus body fat.) So assuming a 220 lb bodybuilder has 0% body fat, lol, he would consume 700 g of Carbs. Protein-intake remains at 1g/lb and fat is restricted as low as possible.
The focus on day 1 should be on High-GI foods like Fat-free Ice-cream and all the other non-fat high sugar desserts. Calories should be around 4000 for the 220-lb bodybuilder -- in other words, 18X bodyweight in lbs.

Drastically restricting fat is CRITICAL here, as the body is still burning fat for fuel as you replenish your glycogen stores. In essence, the dieter is still losing fat while carbing up.

Day 16: Muscle-glycogen has increased, so carb-intake should be decreased from day one?s 7g/Kg to only 5g/Kg of LBM. That would be 500g for our 220-lb bodybuilder. Protein is 1g/lb again. Fat remains as low as possible. Kcals for the dieter are reduced to 3000 Kcal range, or around 14X Bodyweight in lbs. The focus of Day 2 should be low-GI foods like vegetables, milk, lean meats etc.

Additional Precautions:

Dieters feeling extremely nauseated or who vomit during a cycle should discontinue use immediately and not restart for at least 36 hours.

Dieters should carry a pocket thermometer at all times. If body temperature rises above 102 Fahrenheit then the dosage should be lowered or the cycles should be terminated. Additionally, the dieter should take a very cold bath to lower the temperature.
In addition to water, V8 juice should be consumed. Drinking gallons of water depletes the body of electrolytes pretty badly predisposing the dieter to shock, nausea, lethargy, and even death. V8 is the best for replenishing electrolytes as it contains 950mg of potassium per 8oz compared to Gatorade?s 35mg of potassium in 8oz.

Massive amounts of fruits and sweets should be consumed if one becomes nauseated or vomits - i.e. force feed yourself.
Dieters should never allow themselves to become overheated on a DNP cycle. Always stay next to a fan and keep the air conditioner on. Do not attempt a DNP cycle if you work out doors in a warm climate or another warm environment like a kitchen. Even at low doses this can build up and be potentially dangerous.

There are two versions of DNP - regular and crystalline. Know which one you are taking. When taking the crystalline DNP caps, never take more than 200mg at once if you've never used it before. Even if you are used to it, it is still much safer to spread the dosage throughout the day. Crystalline DNP is much faster acting and can rapidly elevate temperature.

Post-Steroid Cycle Use of DNP

One of the primary causes of muscle breakdown after a steroid cycle is suppressed TSH. Anabolic steroids suppress TSH, which in turn lowers T3 and T4 production by the thyroid gland. The reduction in TSH is one reason that anabolic steroids are such excellent muscle builders.

Soon after the completion of a steroid cycle, TSH up-regulates, which in turn super-stimulates the thyroid. This excess stimulation causes the thyroid to produce above normal levels of T3 and T4. This increase in thyroid hormones is highly catabolic and is the main reason why people lose muscle post-cycle.

Athletes have learned that they need to restrict T3 production post cycle to prevent muscle loss. A novel approach to achieving this goal is the use of DNP. About 80% of the body?s endogenous T3 is produced from the metabolically inactive T4 to the metabolically active T3. The de-iodinase enzyme is responsible for this conversion. It literally cleaves off an iodine molecule.
By ingesting 200mg DNP/day, the athlete can correct the over stimulated Thyroid, returning T3 levels back to normal. DNP directly blocks the production of T3 from T4 via the de-iodinase enzyme.

As a bonus, the reduction in your ATP stores because of the DNP is counter acted by an increase in the oxidation of triglycerides as an energy source. The benefit is the elimination of any potential fat-gain from the low post-cycle testosterone levels. And as DNP is non-hormonal, it has no effect on HPTA recovery.

After cessation of DNP use post-cycle, the athlete will reap the benefits of the "Anabolic Rebound Effect" which further lends credence to the use of DNP as a post-cycle ancillary for the elimination of any post-cycle muscular losses.

Macro?s DNP Supplements

200mg alpha lipoic acid 3x a day with meals
1200-1500mg magnesium in 2-3 divided doses.
2-3000mg vitamin C
1200IU of vitamin E
200mcg of selenium.
1000-2000mg of calcium (can?t take it with the magnesium, though. Take it before bed)
Melatonin if you can?t sleep and it is also one of the best and cheapest anti-oxidants.
50mg of zinc a day
one iron tab as hemoglobin is a protein as well.
A potassium gluconate tab or two a day
Taurine at 3g a day.
Glutamine at 15g-20g a day .
1 table spoon glycerol 3 x a day
at least 2 gallons of water
a fan to point at your head while sleeping- or at work- basically anytime you can point a fan at you
500mg grapeseed extract
300mg cranberry extract
600-900mg of green tea
a good mulit vitamin
EC+1g of tyrosine 3x per day and 20mg of yohimbine topically 2x per day- for added energy and fat burning effects

That is the worst DNP write up ever. Waaaay overboard. It's on every board yet I doubt anyone follows that protocol. Way to complicated. Looks like it was written by the supp company lobby. Water is the only supp you need on DNP.

Actually everything I've read suggests that DNP has no effect on the liver or kidneys. The main reason for avoiding alcohol while on it is to prevent excessive dehydration.

This is accurate.

Definitly Respect DNP.. because it can kill you the first time you fuck up.. Oh yeah...It also breaks down your DNA, but hey...that just goes along with this stuff being dangerous.. It should also be avoided by women.. It has caused Cataracts in women.. .(I've heard that some men have had similar problems after using it for a prolonged period of time)

If you use this drug...Educate yourself first...

If I were to list the most dangerous bodybuilding drugs in order of danger I'd list them like this.

1. DNP
2. insulin
3. Diuretics

Insulin is much more dangerous. Only way FUCKING UP on DNP will kill you is if you swallow it with jack daniels and ecstasy!

Isn't it used as a cleaning agent? I'm sure your doing some damage to your body,but you shouldn't stay on it long.

It was used as a wood stain. It would be terrible for cleaning as it turns everything yellow. Also used in the manufacture of dynamite.

Why are all these really old DNP threads always bumping up recently?

Because its getting cold out. Running DNP in the summer is retarded.

 

[Charlesm26]

I know this is an old article but seeing that I just used DNP not to long ago, i thought I would comment on the question of whether or not it is the easy way out.

I did not take DNP for that long, and did not take high doses but it was extremely uncomfortable and I did see some pretty good results from it. This being said, I would say it is faster to lose fat, but not easier. Is being tired, breathing hard, sweating,stinking, feeling like garbage easy? No..It pretty much feels like you are dehydrated all the time in the vegas heat. I ended up feeling sick after taking 400 plus per day but I also came down with strep. I wish I would have just kept it at 200 per day. That was comfortable, and warm but very doable. I could still work on 200 per day but on 400 per day, I was useless.

So the question is, what is your definition of easy way out? Are the sides easy? Not anything over 200 per day. Is swallowing DNP easy? Yes. Is losing fat fast? Yes. Is it worth it? If your diet is in check so afterwards you keep most of the fat off then sure. If you go back to eating garbage, then it is actually the slow way , and because all those symptoms and side effects were for nothing, and nothing positive came from it.