Is fatigue a sign of low or high estrogen?

[Juicey239]

I don't think that's an adequate dose, at least for me it isn't... do you know you respond to elevated T levels? As in aromatization-wise? Is this your first time taking Exemestane?

at least you're getting blood work so you know for sure, but I can almost guarantee it's the anadrol.

But what confuses me is. Anadrol has a short half life. I don't split my drol is half. Just take the whole 50mg tab an hour before the gym. Does that mean anadrol has lingering effects which cause this? I do get tired an hour after taking the drol. I've been on the droll for 3 weeks and some days I feel amazing. And yeah first time taking Aromasin.

 

[Juicey239]

DOMS has nothing to do with overtraining. Overtraining is also NEVER encouraged. It will only water training time and set you back. What I think you meant to say was overreaching is encouraged and yes, it is, but that's the case on or off cycle as well.

I have read in a few articles that you should push yourself to the extreme in the gym on cycle. Of course along with a good diet and plenty sleep.

 

[DickySmalls]

If you don't mind. Could you tell me some key symptoms of low and high estrogen. Like a top 3 for both. I've googled it and have seen many. But how about your personal experience?

The Estrogen Handbook

Unfortunately it is real and even when your sleep and nutrition is perfect it will hit you like you wouldn't believe. No amount of sleep and/or eating will overcome overtraining.

Heh. I'm actually getting my cortisol levels tested soon because I have a lot of fatigue (and some other symptoms), even before I started HGH. Hopefully the doc also sees my tanked T4 from HGH and Rx's me some since it's cheaper than buying it from the black market.

"Running, or any aerobic training in moderation, has a positive effect on health. There is a point of diminishing returns, where chronic stress from overtraining, which is common in runners, may be linked to problems in the adrenal gland. Overtraining Syndrome (OS) has been linked with adrenal insufficiency. There is a direct link between stress and the adrenal glands, and the physical stress of overtraining may cause the hormones produced in these glands to become depleted. Overtraining Syndrome (OS) has been described as chronic fatigue, burnout and staleness, where an imbalance between training/competition, versus recovery occurs. Training alone is seldom the primary cause. In most cases, the total amount of stress on the athlete exceeds their capacity to cope. A triggering stressful event, along with the chronic overtraining, pushes the athlete to start developing symptoms of overtraining syndrome, which is far worse than classic overtraining. Overtraining can be a part of healthy training, if only done for a short period of time. Chronic overtraining is what leads to serious health problems, including adrenal insufficiency."

Edit: It doesn't specifically state anaerobic training anywhere in there but I would think lifting excessively may have the potential to cause OS.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3648788/.

 

[Phaze]

There are extreams in all things, though i think its extreamly extremely hard to overtrain on cycle. As quoted above training alone is seldom only cause. Maybe if your doing 2 adays for months on in with no rest days, though because you left 100% in gym and was there over 2 hours dont mean you overtaining. Eat up sleep good and take a rest day once or twice a week.

 

[Docd187123]

I have read in a few articles that you should push yourself to the extreme in the gym on cycle. Of course along with a good diet and plenty sleep.

Pushing yourself to the extreme isn't overtraining though.

 

[Docd187123]

The Estrogen Handbook



Heh. I'm actually getting my cortisol levels tested soon because I have a lot of fatigue (and some other symptoms), even before I started HGH. Hopefully the doc also sees my tanked T4 from HGH and Rx's me some since it's cheaper than buying it from the black market.

"Running, or any aerobic training in moderation, has a positive effect on health. There is a point of diminishing returns, where chronic stress from overtraining, which is common in runners, may be linked to problems in the adrenal gland. Overtraining Syndrome (OS) has been linked with adrenal insufficiency. There is a direct link between stress and the adrenal glands, and the physical stress of overtraining may cause the hormones produced in these glands to become depleted. Overtraining Syndrome (OS) has been described as chronic fatigue, burnout and staleness, where an imbalance between training/competition, versus recovery occurs. Training alone is seldom the primary cause. In most cases, the total amount of stress on the athlete exceeds their capacity to cope. A triggering stressful event, along with the chronic overtraining, pushes the athlete to start developing symptoms of overtraining syndrome, which is far worse than classic overtraining. Overtraining can be a part of healthy training, if only done for a short period of time. Chronic overtraining is what leads to serious health problems, including adrenal insufficiency."

Edit: It doesn't specifically state anaerobic training anywhere in there but I would think lifting excessively may have the potential to cause OS.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3648788/.

The volume of work needed for overtraining aerobic work vs anaerobic work is different. Aerobic is less intensive and thus needs a lot more volume to overtrain.

Also, the study mentions overtraining can be part of a healthy training program but that's not the case. They're not differentiating between overtraining and overreaching where the latter can be a healthy addition to training but the former just wastes time and effort.

 

[Docd187123]

There are extreams in all things, though i think its extreamly extremely hard to overtrain on cycle. As quoted above training alone is seldom only cause. Maybe if your doing 2 adays for months on in with no rest days, though because you left 100% in gym and was there over 2 hours dont mean you overtaining. Eat up sleep good and take a rest day once or twice a week.

It doesn't take two a days or 7day a week training to hi overtraining. Taking an extra day off can help a beginner get over overtraining but it's pretty rare for them to ever experience it to begin with. Once you're an intermediate lifter you'll need more than one extra day off and for advanced and elite lifters it could take weeks to fully get over it.

 

[TheBeat]

Drol always has me ridiculously tired. I'd bust ass at the gym and when needed, otherwise it felt almost like poison with how tired it made me. Needless to say, even through results were phenomenal, I don't use it anymore, it goes in the "only if I seriously compete" bin with Tren.

Good luck op, as others have said it's probably the Drol, with a small chance of it being high estrogen, and none for it from being low estrogen in my opinion/experience.

 

[Spooby]

OP have you tried tren? Low dose of that would be better than drol tbh..rapid strength and it's rare at 250-300mg a week to feel horrible like drol does to ya lol I see more complaints about sides on a moderate dose of drol than I see with tren at higher doses, so... that can be an option?

I love tren, personally.

 

[Juicey239]

OP have you tried tren? Low dose of that would be better than drol tbh..rapid strength and it's rare at 250-300mg a week to feel horrible like drol does to ya lol I see more complaints about sides on a moderate dose of drol than I see with tren at higher doses, so... that can be an option?

I love tren, personally.

Haven't tried tren yet bro. Only my second cycle thus far. Maybe my next cycle will contain it.

I've been taking my aromasin at 12.5mg now and feel slightly better, gonna continue taking it ed till my bloodwork. But it's most likely the Droll, many people, including you guys, say it makes them tired.

I'm actually kinda concerned about my test and deca being underdosed or bunk lol its Geneza Pharm. Idk why I'm so paranoid, I'm just gonna push through one more week till my blood test. So next week on Friday, I'll post the results.

 

[Juicey239]

@thebeat yeah man. I take 50mg of the drol an hour before the gym and holy shit, I'm yawning and drowsy even after a pre-workout drink. But once I start lifting all that goes away lol anadrol is one hell of a drug no doubt

 

[Trapmonster]

Orals can cause lethargy, check ur liver values

 

[drippie]

ADex crashes estro more than aromasin.

Anadrol and Dbol both make me feel great the first week but make me feel like crap afterwards.
I'd drop anadrol and leave the aromasin if/when gyno starts to flare. Let the injects to the work and you'll feel great.

Winny at the end of the cycle would be great.

 

[Gorillaglue]

If you don't mind. Could you tell me some key symptoms of low and high estrogen. Like a top 3 for both. I've googled it and have seen many. But how about your personal experience?

I'm almost at the end of my 3rd week.
Test e 625/week
Deca 250/week
Anadrol 50 first 4 weeks

First 2 weeks I felt great...... now I feel tired, sleepy, fatigued, a lil sad. But still functional. What's the deal? I'm waiting till week 5 to get my bloods. So it's all guesswork right now.

I'm trying to find the right dose for my aromasin.

 

[Gorillaglue]

Not sure what your aware of sorry man but..I've had similar issues in the past,blood work is obviously best,but I prefer trouble shooting..myself..20 yr of trial and error..lol Deca and anadrol. are going to spike rbc count,if you don't want to drop one I've alleviated that in the past by just giving blood a few times a mo..that simple for me..a major symptom of that is fatigue,I didn't see u taking a cabaser..that's a must for me on deca..but the estrogen part..I personally run e.o.d. on my aromasin.it can always be increased.you need good levels to build muscle,also low estrogen has left me depressed and tired feeling in the past...Balance my friend...this is just personal experience..good luck

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Orals can cause lethargy, check ur liver values

OP, one of the symptoms is lethargy/fatigue meaning you're overworking your liver.. get bloodwork!