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Is HCG useless until compounds have cleared the system?

kosp

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Not for TRT/fertility purposes, this case is whether or not is useful to blast HCG approaching PCT while there are AAS in the system.

If there are AAS still in the system, no matter the HCG there will still be shutdown, so wouldn't it be better to wait?

I saw this from Greg Douccette.
 
Blast HCG as in Frontload ? or the basic protocol of 250iu-500iu EOD approaching PCT?

It might be better to wait because it could cause unwanted sides if other aas are in the system, they could throw off some bloods unless the user is aware of the sides.. otherwise approaching pct and using hcg is fine, it all depends how the user reacts to having these compounds in his/her system all at once.

So two ways to look at it. Sideeffects and time.

You want to reach baseline natty faster with a higher probability of reaching good test natty lvls? one could use hcg before all aas clear.

You want to avoid sides because mixing more compounds could give unwanted sides? Wait until those unwanted aas clear system.
 
tuffie said:
Blast HCG as in Frontload ? or the basic protocol of 250iu-500iu EOD approaching PCT?

It might be better to wait because it could cause unwanted sides if other aas are in the system, they could throw off some bloods unless the user is aware of the sides.. otherwise approaching pct and using hcg is fine, it all depends how the user reacts to having these compounds in his/her system all at once.

So two ways to look at it. Sideeffects and time.

You want to reach baseline natty faster with a higher probability of reaching good test natty lvls? one could use hcg before all aas clear.

You want to avoid sides because mixing more compounds could give unwanted sides? Wait until those unwanted aas clear system
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I did not use HCG during cycle, it is a blast of 14 days E3D previous to PCT start.

I pinned 2500iu yesterday and I feel nothing.
 
That is a high dose in my experience. Just to elaborate on the feels/side effects of such a high dose of HCG (based on a personal anecdotal experience). It was a solo run of HCG for 5 weeks (EOD 500iu so ~1500iu weekly). I got acne, and i was definitely emotional as fuck, and w/ high libido. I cant recall if my balls changed in size.. Blood serum concentration should peak ~48hrs. Ide say give it some time. I have not used HCG ugl except for pharmacy choriomon. I even get a deepened voice on a 500iu protocol (w/ 135mg test e)

As long as its real active rHCG, your blood serum is rising as you read this.
 
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tuffie said:
That is a high dose in my experience. Just to elaborate on the feels/side effects of such a high dose of HCG (based on a personal anecdotal experience). It was a solo run of HCG for 5 weeks (EOD 500iu so ~1500iu weekly). I got acne, and i was definitely emotional as fuck, and w/ high libido. I cant recall if my balls changed in size.. Blood serum concentration should peak ~48hrs. Ide say give it some time. I have not used HCG ugl except for pharmacy choriomon. I even get a deepened voice on a 500iu protocol (w/ 135mg test e)

As long as its real active rHCG, your blood serum is rising as you read this.
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I am using choriomon too

Remember there is still good amount of test e in my system, so it may be masking HCG effects?

I am following dr scally pct power from this page: 2000 iu E3D 14 days prior to PCT. Doing 2500 just in case lol, recovery is extremely important for me.
 
It raises total test too. Free test too. As a side effect, DHT lvls will rise and Estrogen. Because HCG at such a high dose will aromatize. Either you are not sensitive (negative sides) such as acne, hairloss or gyno. Those are feels/sides... the only other test would be try bloods if its doing something.

It should synergize with your exogenous test injections.
 
tuffie said:
It raises total test too. Free test too. As a side effect, DHT lvls will rise and Estrogen. Because HCG at such a high dose will aromatize. Either you are not sensitive (negative sides) such as acne, hairloss or gyno. Those are feels/sides... the only other test would be try bloods if its doing something.

It should synergize with your exogenous test injections.
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How did you store the Choriomon before reconstution? I have been having it at room temp
 
In the fridge after reconstitution, Avg temp, for produce/milk.

Before, the pharmacist would walk to the back and open there mini fridge. Ide say it was almost above average avg . where they kept it.

And if i bought extra, i would store it in the fridge where i kept the hcg i reconstituted.
 
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tuffie said:
In the fridge after reconstitution, Avg temp, for produce/milk.

Before, the pharmacist would walk to the back and open there mini fridge. Ide say it was almost above average avg . where they kept it.
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shit, I have been having it a room temp for some weeks (before reconstitution), it may be bunk now
 
I edited my post. I would refer to the hcg lab analysis by janoshik and liska. It should be fine imo, or at least, if it wasnt reconstituted, at least 85%-90% active (worst case scenario..) thoughts from others?

2500iu is a good dose, and well over 500iu if it were 90% active. The feels should be there after a week or two if you want to give it time. Bloods will show the bioavailability 100%.

But you say its not for fertility reasons. So the true test would be a blood test of FSH/LSH and Total t?
 
tuffie said:
I edited my post. I would refer to the hcg lab analysis by janoshik and liska. It should be fine imo, or at least, if it wasnt reconstituted, at least 85%-90% active (worst case scenario..) thoughts from others?

2500iu is a good dose, and well over 500iu if it were 90% active. The feels should be there after a week or two if you want to give it time. Bloods will show the bioavailability 100%.

But you say its not for fertility reasons. So the true test would be a blood test of FSH/LSH and Total t?
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there is test e still in my system, so FSH and LH should show suppressed and total t high. Maybe an urine pregnancy test?
 
A urine pregnancy test or a marquis test would show if it has hcg metabolites available. At what purity (from a 2500iu dose) (?) Thats for a higher end HPLC test. Janoshik is recommended.

I honestly have not tried testing my choriomon HCG, only injected it

You know more than i do about if FSH / LH surpressed if test e is still in the organism. Still learning.
 
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HB_22 said:
What happens is your balls keep working, but the testosterone they produce will be converted to estrogen, if you are on exogenous hormones.
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why does ball test turn into estrogen more than exogenous? one would think longer esters would be more prone to aromatizing as stays higher longer...
 
HB_22 said:
What happens is your balls keep working, but the testosterone they produce will be converted to estrogen, if you are on exogenous hormones.
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Any and all testosterone can be converted to estrogen not just the stuff your body makes as it’s all bio identical. There will just be more that can be converted.
The body doesn’t just isolate the testosterone your balls make to be made into estrogen.
 
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