Is my needle to big

[Ghoul]

just depends on how deep you can take it….

1/2"

That's just about the length of a pinki tip, if you know what I mean.

 

[Type-IIx]

I like 1.5" 26 Ga for pinning, and use a 20 Ga loading pin, Leur lock. I basically buy 20 Ga points and the 26 Ga syringe + points separately.

Since you want to always inject deep into the belly of the muscle and problems happen when you inject into the subcutaneous space or dermal layers with oils intended for deep i.m. injection, it's better to use the longer needle IMO, basically always.

Of course, body fat determines how deep you need to push.

 

[Ateam2023]

i draw with a 23g and inject with a 25g 1" , i do delts&quads,vg sometimes and i just bury that bitch in all the way wherever muscle it is and never have any issues, all peptides/hgh 30 g 5/8" 1 ml slin pin,,,,

 

[DoctorX]

I use half inch insulin needles for most body parts . If doing quads or delts with 3cc of oil then I use 1 inch needles

 

[Sampei]

I like 1.5" 26 Ga for pinning, and use a 20 Ga loading pin, Leur lock. I basically buy 20 Ga points and the 26 Ga syringe + points separately.

Since you want to always inject deep into the belly of the muscle and problems happen when you inject into the subcutaneous space or dermal layers with oils intended for deep i.m. injection, it's better to use the longer needle IMO, basically always.

Of course, body fat determines how deep you need to push.

Coring is bad if you draw with 20g

 

[laclark89]

Coring is bad if you draw with 20g

Why not just core and inject a small piece of rubber into your body lol.

 

[RekTest]

Coring is bad if you draw with 20g

Never had rubber fall into my vials and Ive always used 18g.
Maybe stop using trash sources that use bottom of the barrel vials and stoppers.

 

[Sampei]

Never had rubber fall into my vials and Ive always used 18g.
Maybe stop using trash sources that use bottom of the barrel vials and stoppers.

Maybe you can't see it, are you stupid or what?

Read medical papers coring happened with 25g, moron

 

[RekTest]

Maybe you can't see it, are you stupid or what?

Read medical papers coring happened with 25g, moron

Peace out homeboy, I dont have time for people with poor attitudes

 

[iris]

Peace out homeboy, I dont have time for people with poor attitudes

Hey, this is just one of the studies that were linked here (thanks @readalot)

"In this experiment, we found a coring rate of 10% when a 18-G needle without a filter was used for aspiration, independent of the needle diameter used for fluid ejection. Using a 23-G needle for aspiration led to a coring rate of 33%. Rubber particles in the injection fluid could be completely avoided by using a needle with 5 μm filter to withdraw the fluid from the vial.

Therefore, our first hypothesis, that coring may be reduced if a thinner needle is used for injection than for aspiration could not be confirmed. Using a needle with a 5 μm filter for fluid withdrawal eliminated vial coring completely, confirming the second hypothesis of this study.

The data of this study shows that the term “coring” is somewhat misleading. One would expect a particle of the size of the inner diameter of the needle. In fact, the inner diameter of the 18-G needle used in this study was 950 μm and that of the 23-G needle was 390 μm. The rubber particles created by the 18-G needle had a mean diameter of 77 μm with a maximum of 214 μm. Therefore, even the largest particles could easily pass the smaller diameter injection needle used for group two. The small size of the rubber particles is most likely caused by stretching of the rubber stopper when the needle is inserted and subsequent contraction of the resulting core.

Interestingly, using a thinner 23-G needle for aspiration resulted in a threefold coring rate. This result is in accordance with the available literature, as Asakura et al. found a coring rate of 73% in primary aspirations of insulin through a rubber stopper using a 31-G needle [22]. This data and our results suggest that thinner needles lead to higher coring rates."

 

[TestosTyrone]

Throw that 25G caveman shit in the trash and go grab 30G
Thank me later.
30G with a 1ml syringe

29 gauge 50 unit syringes work better.

 

[Exhortae]

Miglyol oil is best when using 30g needle

 

[RekTest]

Miglyol oil is best when using 30g needle

Never heard of that oil, I know MCT and gso feel the same going through a 30G

 

[Ghoul]

Hey, this is just one of the studies that were linked here (thanks @readalot)

"In this experiment, we found a coring rate of 10% when a 18-G needle without a filter was used for aspiration, independent of the needle diameter used for fluid ejection. Using a 23-G needle for aspiration led to a coring rate of 33%. Rubber particles in the injection fluid could be completely avoided by using a needle with 5 μm filter to withdraw the fluid from the vial.

Therefore, our first hypothesis, that coring may be reduced if a thinner needle is used for injection than for aspiration could not be confirmed. Using a needle with a 5 μm filter for fluid withdrawal eliminated vial coring completely, confirming the second hypothesis of this study.

The data of this study shows that the term “coring” is somewhat misleading. One would expect a particle of the size of the inner diameter of the needle. In fact, the inner diameter of the 18-G needle used in this study was 950 μm and that of the 23-G needle was 390 μm. The rubber particles created by the 18-G needle had a mean diameter of 77 μm with a maximum of 214 μm. Therefore, even the largest particles could easily pass the smaller diameter injection needle used for group two. The small size of the rubber particles is most likely caused by stretching of the rubber stopper when the needle is inserted and subsequent contraction of the resulting core.

Interestingly, using a thinner 23-G needle for aspiration resulted in a threefold coring rate. This result is in accordance with the available literature, as Asakura et al. found a coring rate of 73% in primary aspirations of insulin through a rubber stopper using a 31-G needle [22]. This data and our results suggest that thinner needles lead to higher coring rates."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/05/22/1252831827/microplastics-testicles-humans-health

 

[Ghoul]

Even an unfiltered spike eliminates coring, pulls faster, and pays for itself by getting rid of the drawing needle. If you use the same needle to draw and inject, it keeps the needle perfectly sharp instead of being dulled by the stopper.

 

[iris]

Never heard of that oil, I know MCT and gso feel the same going through a 30G

Actually, Sampei knows a lot about it and I believe he is /will be testing it in his brewing

 

[Sampei]

Never heard of that oil, I know MCT and gso feel the same going through a 30G

How can they feel the same when the viscosity is completely different.

 

[Sampei]

Even an unfiltered spike eliminates coring, pulls faster, and pays for itself by getting rid of the drawing needle. If you use the same needle to draw and inject, it keeps the needle perfectly sharp instead of being dulled by the stopper.

Spike don't last much at least the one I got the filter get melted by the BA and BB after maximum 6 draws on average. Filtered needle is where I'm going next. A lot easier and quicker to multidose too.

 

[iris]

Spike don't last much at least the one I got the filter get melted by the BA and BB after maximum 6 draws on average. Filtered needle is where I'm going next. A lot easier and quicker to multidose too.

So, you think the advice about spikes should be revised, in favour of your approach, or not?
Is it just about durability + cost

 

[RekTest]

How can they feel the same when the viscosity is completely different.

Maybe…. Idk, because I have used both alot?