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Janoshik, Lab4Tox and Analiza Bialek

expylon said:
If someone is good and confident doesnt even need to bother insulting others. As you can see already did on this thread too.
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Could you please quote the insults on this thread for me my dear?

expylon said:
I sent stuff to analiza bialek because it was the easiest alternative i found back then, communication wasnt the best but he did the blind test and i got the service i paid for.
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So, you've been choosing between long established legitimate laboratory of Lab4Tox, that's walking distance from AB, me, who's been around for over a decade now and AB... And chose Bialek.

Honestly, if just posting facts and screenshots can humiliate you this much, I feel any insults would be overkill.
 
janoshik said:
Could you please quote the insults on this thread for me my dear?


So, you've been choosing between long established legitimate laboratory of Lab4Tox, that's walking distance from AB, me, who's been around for over a decade now and AB... And chose Bialek.

Honestly, if just posting facts and screenshots can humiliate you this much, I feel any insults would be overkill.
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Humiliate? What are you on? Go back to psych ward

You are so butthurt for others in business

Welcome to my ignored list btw
 
Alonso. said:
Gracias por sus sugerencias profesionales, @Liska, espero con ansias el día en que pueda discutir los informes de laboratorio a ese nivel.

Gracias @HB_22 por tal experiencia, trabajo increíble. Ha sido como un pequeño sueño hecho realidad. Estoy ansioso por hacer lo mismo con HgH en el futuro, sería genial si alguien realiza un experimento de este tipo, o si me vuelvo más valiente, más generoso o más rápido, estaría más que feliz de discutir los resultados aquí. ¡El tiempo lo dirá!

Permítanme hacer algunas preguntas sobre los resultados de la comparación de CJC y Test.Cyp:
1) En su publicación, afirma que hay una "ligera diferencia", que en realidad es del 8% al 10%. ¿Crees que este tipo de diferencia es aceptable y mientras?

2) Los productos eran del mismo lote, no de los mismos viales, ¿verdad? Si es así, entonces esta podría ser la razón de la diferencia, ¿qué piensas?

3) Test.Cyp se mide a 278.79mg / ml, que es un 10% más que la actividad anunciada. ¿Está esto todavía dentro de un rango aceptable?

En mi opinión personal, para comparaciones de resultados significativas, es esencial usar productos del mismo vial, ya que los lotes pueden variar por varias razones. Además, una sobredosis de Test.cyp de 28,79 mg/ml todavía puede considerarse aceptable. Probablemente el 10% todavía está bien, por lo que si algún laboratorio siempre hace productos como 90% -110% de la dosificación original, entonces no es un problema. Mi investigación indica que, oficialmente, una diferencia del 5% se considera permisible para muchos productos de farmacia, como la testosterona.

Gracias de antemano por la oportunidad de aprender algo nuevo.
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The relative standard deviation (RSD%) in a high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) test can vary in the same vial of oil due to several factors, even when the sample is the same. Some common reasons for this variability in RSD percentage include:



Non-uniform distribution of components: Although the oil in the vial is the same, the components in the sample may not be completely uniformly distributed. This can lead to variations in HPLC results, especially if the sample is heterogeneous.



Sample inhomogeneity: Small differences in the composition or homogeneity of the oil sample in the vial can influence the variability of the results. This may be due to phase separation or the presence of localized impurities.



Sample injection issues: The sample injection technique in HPLC can influence variability. If the injection is not consistent in terms of volume or position, results may vary.



Test conditions: Small variations in test conditions, such as temperature, solvent flow rate, or detector calibration, can affect results and result in different RSD%.



Experimental errors: Human errors, such as measurement or data recording errors, can contribute to variability in HPLC results.





Sample stability: Some components in the oil may be sensitive to factors such as temperature or light, which can cause changes in the sample over time and therefore variability in HPLC results.
 
Vanargandar said:
You're mad you got caught. Fuck off to some other shill board.
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Shill shill shill, jesus you are like little children.

Funny to be called shill for going against the jano mainstream, or im not able now to criticize someone? Should i stay on a fake forced positivism and follow the crowd like on reddit, the place you guys always make fun of?

maybe you guys should look yourselves in the mirror or drop the tren and quit damaging your brain more than it already is

Im not a shill but whatever you say, i wont even bother with you more. You guys on this forum are fucking nuts. Ignored list growing.
 
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Mr.Werhner said:
The relative standard deviation (RSD%) in a high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) test can vary in the same vial of oil due to several factors, even when the sample is the same. Some common reasons for this variability in RSD percentage include:



Non-uniform distribution of components: Although the oil in the vial is the same, the components in the sample may not be completely uniformly distributed. This can lead to variations in HPLC results, especially if the sample is heterogeneous.



Sample inhomogeneity: Small differences in the composition or homogeneity of the oil sample in the vial can influence the variability of the results. This may be due to phase separation or the presence of localized impurities.



Sample injection issues: The sample injection technique in HPLC can influence variability. If the injection is not consistent in terms of volume or position, results may vary.



Test conditions: Small variations in test conditions, such as temperature, solvent flow rate, or detector calibration, can affect results and result in different RSD%.



Experimental errors: Human errors, such as measurement or data recording errors, can contribute to variability in HPLC results.





Sample stability: Some components in the oil may be sensitive to factors such as temperature or light, which can cause changes in the sample over time and therefore variability in HPLC results.
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Thank you for such a detailed reply. It was interesting to learn about some of the points you mentioned in your response. But tell me, does it mean that even when conducting laboratory tests, for example, on testosterone enanthate from the same vial, conducted in the same laboratory, the results can differ, is that correct? (Not to mention comparing analyses in multiple laboratories.)

Here, I have the following thoughts. I assume that the factors you listed, in most cases, have minimal influence on test results (I repeat, in most cases, not all) because if they could influence more than 5%, it would essentially create chaos in the world of pharmaceuticals, as anything over 10% would already lead to significant problems in the use of medications.

Therefore, despite the fact that you listed numerous factors that affect a laboratory test, even from the same vial, conducted in one laboratory, we should not see a difference in results of more than 5%. Moreover, even the experiment conducted by @HB_22, comparing Testosterone cypionate in which the difference was around 10% (255.68 and 278.79 mg/ml), raises the question of "which laboratory is more accurate and for what reason." In essence, this was the reason for creating this thread. So the topic is still open, and we have yet to find an answer to it. Also, I would like to reiterate that besides 10% in regular injection products, there is a suggestion that in the case of growth hormone, we will see a greater difference in results, but this is something we will also have to find out in the future.
 
I've been collaborating with Jano for a long time, and I've subjected him to various scrutiny because, honestly, I'm quite skeptical of people, haha. However, I must admit that he has consistently been right in every aspect we've discussed. Let me explain what I mean so that I don't come across as a Jano agent, lol.

I've sent him products without labels, and he accurately identified their contents and provided detailed information. We've also conducted various product tests, and some of the individuals with whom I consulted, who were more knowledgeable about testing details, including doctors and scientists, didn't always agree with his results. But the interesting thing is, Jano consistently prevailed in these discussions with those smart people by giving the facts and explanation of "why results should be that way and not the way they thinking". Do you catch my drift? These discussions were private, so there was no incentive to gain popularity or anything like that. That's why I trust Jano (though not completely, as I don't fully trust anyone:))

I believe Lab4Tox could gain more popularity if they started accepting bitcoins and expanded their list of testable products, since last time they wasn't able to test products like Clenbuterol and HgH.

Analiza Bialek is new to me, but I've started to think that labs using AB may have a point. I suppose laboratories that use Analiza Bialek may be getting more positive results from him. (Having more positive results with AB doesn't necessarily imply anything negative yet for me) Otherwise, why would they turn to him? Considering that there isn't a significant price difference and Jano is already more well-known, it raises the question of why people would choose AB. Moreover AB is less popular, which might lead to less trust to their reports among athletes.

The key question I want to reiterate is: whose standards (results) can we trust more, Analiza Bialek, Jano or Lab4Tox and why?
 
Janoshik appears to do good work.

That being said being said there's some shady shit.

If he wants to bash others, huge turn off and he does it regularly, then the fact he has lied and ripped ppl off shpuld be mentioned.

There's an entire thread on it.
Janoshik is a shitty person.
Hense why I'd never spend a dollar.

Que the arrogant post.
He will be upset I gave an opinion.
Just as he did.
 
Justaguy99 said:
Janoshik appears to do good work.

That being said being said there's some shady shit.

If he wants to bash others, huge turn off and he does it regularly, then the fact he has lied and ripped ppl off shpuld be mentioned.

There's an entire thread on it.
Janoshik is a shitty person.
Hense why I'd never spend a dollar.

Que the arrogant post.
He will be upset I gave an opinion.
Just as he did.
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Damn, who did that shady Jano rip off and how much?!
 
Justaguy99 said:
Janoshik appears to do good work.

That being said being said there's some shady shit.

If he wants to bash others, huge turn off and he does it regularly, then the fact he has lied and ripped ppl off shpuld be mentioned.

There's an entire thread on it.
Janoshik is a shitty person.
Hense why I'd never spend a dollar.

Que the arrogant post.
He will be upset I gave an opinion.
Just as he did.
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What do you find wrong with jano? I’ve blind tested him previously, hit spot on for AAS
 
These discussions are absolutely wonderful. I did not trust @janoshik at all. I paid a professor at the U of O to read all his writing and give me his impression. After that I sent vials of Testosterone to him. Every step of the way I was suspicious.

Without reservation I encourage people to use @janoshik and the top notch services he provides.

Also if you feel he needs to prove himself, have at it. He has a professional demeanor that lends itself to exploration. Words on the board are not going to discredit this service or the person at all, too much history of positive interaction and professional behavior.
 
There’s just no way in hell jano guessed off the top of his head my 4 compound blend homebrew with ratios to a tee. Def on point. I know there’s been controversy in the past but for personal intents and purposes - I trust
 
@Analiza Bialek @janoshik @LAB4TOX

What do you think about this Polish lab study from @Analiza Bialek? It shows that the vial contains '4-dihydrboldenone' at a concentration of over 100mg/ml

As I understand it, this is an ester-free version because in all studies of other steroids from this lab, the name with an ester was given, for example 'drostanolone enanthate' or from other polish lab study '1-tesotserone cypionate'

Is it possible that the substance being tested is actually 4-dihydrboldenone? Since I have never seen any sports use or sale of this compound, it is a regular metabolite of boldenone having nothing to do with the popular "DHB" which is often incorrectly called "dihydroboldenone" instead of '1-testoserone'
 

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asaly said:
Is it possible that the substance being tested is actually 4-dihydrboldenone? Since I have never seen any sports use or sale of this compound, it is a regular metabolite of boldenone having nothing to do with the popular "DHB" which is often incorrectly called "dihydroboldenone" instead of '1-testoserone'
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I'd suggest sending it to a real laboratory, such as @LAB4TOX or us.

You can easily send it in blind.
 
janoshik said:
I'd suggest sending it to a real laboratory, such as @LAB4TOX or us.

You can easily send it in blind.
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Never bought from them any stuff (in my opinion they are scammers) but I was hoping that you could assess whether it is possible that they actually sell 4-dihydroboldenone in 105mg/ml concentration

Have you ever come across a vial with 4-dihydroboldenone?
 
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