Juice Junkie!!!

[graybass]

All right here we go! I can't believe it. I'm off one week, and I'm already going to my secret stash, and looking at the goodies I have. I have my next cycle all ready to go!! Every detail!! It's going to be the best ever.
I'm never going to make 8 weeks off! I'm still in the middle of PCT.
Bro's, give me some opinions. What will happen if I can't wait that long? Say I only wait a month? I know, I know. I feel like a newbie sayin this shit! My main concern is that, if I cut the off time short will the cycle be as effective?
This sucks, I timed the Summer Cycle all fucked up. I should be going on now, not off!
Come on you bros, vets, and Mods, with big brains, help a Bro out. Tell me it will be OK. (fuckin pathetic) I can't believe I'm losing my mind already!
What a dick I am. (At least a big Dick!)
Talk to me my Brothers, answer this pathetic cry for help! LOL

I'm really not stupid, just nuts!
That crazy old graybass

 

[gdwrench]

All right here we go! I can't believe it. I'm off one week, and I'm already going to my secret stash, and looking at the goodies I have. I have my next cycle all ready to go!! Every detail!! It's going to be the best ever.
I'm never going to make 8 weeks off! I'm still in the middle of PCT.
Bro's, give me some opinions. What will happen if I can't wait that long? Say I only wait a month? I know, I know. I feel like a newbie sayin this shit! My main concern is that, if I cut the off time short will the cycle be as effective?
This sucks, I timed the Summer Cycle all fucked up. I should be going on now, not off!
Come on you bros, vets, and Mods, with big brains, help a Bro out. Tell me it will be OK. (fuckin pathetic) I can't believe I'm losing my mind already!
What a dick I am. (At least a big Dick!)
Talk to me my Brothers, answer this pathetic cry for help! LOL

I'm really not stupid, just nuts!
That crazy old graybass

Welcome to the over 40 club !!! Ha Ha !!!

 

[occam]

Hey Gray how you doing man? I'm on day 4 of clomid, and have put together my next run already also. BTW- tren enanthate is part of it due in large part to your positive experience recently. Since I know your a well experienced man, I'll spare you the proper pct pep talk and simply share with you my personal rule for the times where time on does not equal time off.

I train naturally until I am at least a bit stronger harder leaner thicker, whatever the cased need be contextually, than I was at the peak of my last cycle.
I also have access to inexpensive diagnostics, so I get my blood work done before and after.

I'm going back on in only a month, pending blood work, because like you I did not time cycles correctly. As long as your hpta is back on line for a few weeks, you feel ready physiologically and mentally, and assuming this violation of pct protocol is non habitual, I would think you will be fine.

I'm back at it in a month so I'm guessing I'm the wrong cat to answer your query huh? I bet we'll both get a bit of heat over this, I can hear it coming.

Good luck to you.............now put down the vial and back slowly away from your secret stash box........the goodies will be waiting for you in a few weeks.........that's it........back up.........you can do it.

 

[Animalhouse]

Thats great advice occam-so you are in your 40s graybass? Recovery is harder as you get older but even over here the andropause is well known so youve probably considered Hrt later anyway? Either way for now going by blood tests like occam said is a v good idea and obviously if Hrt isnt something in your near future the longer off and the better the blood tests are the better mate

Hey Gray how you doing man? I'm on day 4 of clomid, and have put together my next run already also. BTW- tren enanthate is part of it due in large part to your positive experience recently. Since I know your a well experienced man, I'll spare you the proper pct pep talk and simply share with you my personal rule for the times where time on does not equal time off.

I train naturally until I am at least a bit stronger harder leaner thicker, whatever the cased need be contextually, than I was at the peak of my last cycle.
I also have access to inexpensive diagnostics, so I get my blood work done before and after.

I'm going back on in only a month, pending blood work, because like you I did not time cycles correctly. As long as your hpta is back on line for a few weeks, you feel ready physiologically and mentally, and assuming this violation of pct protocol is non habitual, I would think you will be fine.

I'm back at it in a month so I'm guessing I'm the wrong cat to answer your query huh? I bet we'll both get a bit of heat over this, I can hear it coming.

Good luck to you.............now put down the vial and back slowly away from your secret stash box........the goodies will be waiting for you in a few weeks.........that's it........back up.........you can do it.

 

[graybass]

Back away from the goodie box!

Thank you my Bro's. Keep them coming.

Occam, by the way, The Tren Enanthate is in the BOX!!! Lordy give me strength. LOL!!

 

[Neodavid]

For what it's worth, I know a guy who runs all year long, only one break a year, for 5 years now, and he's still healthy, though 10 years younger than you maybe.

I hope someone answers your question about cycle gains though, I wonder if there is a difference... does the body build up resistance during long cycles...

Andy (the guy on for 5 years) is also taking huge amounts, much more than normally subscribed to here, but then he benches 810 lbs and doesn't care if it kills him. The week before a meet, he took 2000 test per day (someone called me a liar on that before, but all I have to say is look the guy up on the web), he's the first guy ever, to bench 3x his bodyweight (in the big guy category).

So the question still remains, do we build up resistance? Do you have to take more and more?

But you loved the Tren Enthanate, so I guess as long as you get happy, honestly does 10% difference matter... (If it was a lot of difference, you'd think someone would have talked about it a lot more).

Thank you my Bro's. Keep them coming.

Occam, by the way, The Tren Enanthate is in the BOX!!! Lordy give me strength. LOL!!

 

[juicejunkie]

stay on

I do the same thing I do 20 week cycles and then only come off for like 4 or 5 weeks and even then Im bridging with a little var so i say go for it

 

[joe shmoe]

going back on wont have any effect on your gains. the only problem with starting too soon is not recovering fully. that could, but doesnt have to, lead to problems recovering later on.

i definately "feel your pain" about going back on. and since you're not a newbie, you know the right thing to do. now the question is, are you strong enough to do the right thing.

have a nice day

 

[jayce]

Man-o-man, is this what I have to look forward to? LOL
Jayce

 

[graybass]

Yo, Yo,

This could happen to YOU! Step away from the gear, put the vial down, and back away. Well for some of us, we could forget recovery, start taking a lot of estrogen, and become a woman!

So I decided I'm going to wait 4 weeks, go on 12weeks, (June, July, August) and than take off the rest of the year off till Jan. I'll take extra Pct (hope this helps).
On I side note, I've found that running Nolva the last month, then HCG 1000iu
pr day,the Last 2-3 weeks, then Clomid the 2-3 weeks following the cycle, has really done the trick for me.
But like I said, a long off time at begining of year!

 

[dzl66]

me a junkie

This could happen to YOU! Step away from the gear, put the vial down, and back away. Well for some of us, we could forget recovery, start taking a lot of estrogen, and become a woman!

So I decided I'm going to wait 4 weeks, go on 12weeks, (June, July, August) and than take off the rest of the year off till Jan. I'll take extra Pct (hope this helps).
On I side note, I've found that running Nolva the last month, then HCG 1000iu
pr day,the Last 2-3 weeks, then Clomid the 2-3 weeks following the cycle, has really done the trick for me.
But like I said, a long off time at begining of year!

Hey gray,
I have been on a "maintenance dose" of test for like 7 months @ 250mg per week. I then upped it to 500mg for 2 months then threw in the tren. en. and gained an additional lean 17lbs. So i have been "on" for almost a year. This is new territory for me since in the past I have done only one 12 week cycle a year. I am 37.
I have read posts that seem to indicate that the current trend for hardcore bodybuilders is 6 weeks on 3 weeks off year round. If you think about this if they are using long ester drugs they always have something in their system.
I always thought that the most developed guys are that way because of four things (assuming they are training right).
1.Solid diet
2. Good genes
3. they never really go "off"
4. When they are in the middle of what they call a cycle they push the limits of dosage
I strayed off topic but that is my 2 cents...
dzl

 

[Geddy Lee]

There's a guy in my gym who's 55 years old...dude looks amazing..better than most guys in their 20's and 30's, big and hard as a rock.

Anyway, we get to talking and the juice comes up..he told me he has been on without coming off at all in 10 years..That's right 10 years!!!!

He takes 500 mgs of test, 400 mgs of eg and 400 mgs of Deca per week.
I'm not sure if that's the same cycle he has been on the last 10 years or so, but he did say he gets blood work done every 2 months and everything checks out fine.

After talking to him it made me think staying on year round could be worth it.

 

[occam]

There's a guy in my gym who's 55 years old...dude looks amazing..better than most guys in their 20's and 30's, big and hard as a rock.

Anyway, we get to talking and the juice comes up..he told me he has been on without coming off at all in 10 years..That's right 10 years!!!!

He takes 500 mgs of test, 400 mgs of eg and 400 mgs of Deca per week.
I'm not sure if that's the same cycle he has been on the last 10 years or so, but he did say he gets blood work done every 2 months and everything checks out fine.

After talking to him it made me think staying on year round could be worth it.

Your blood panel will only give you some of the picture if you are still on aas.
You can go to a doc or a lab while on, in order to check out your lipid profile or blood presure etc. But the bound and unbound test levels will not give you an idea about what kind of condition your body is in.........just what your body is doing with the test your putting in. 10 years on at 55 sounds to me like a life time HRT sentence. Then again HRT will probably be a part of my life at 55 anyway, unless they come up with something better in the next 20+ years.

 

[Geddy Lee]

Your blood panel will only give you some of the picture if you are still on aas.
You can go to a doc or a lab while on, in order to check out your lipid profile or blood presure etc. But the bound and unbound test levels will not give you an idea about what kind of condition your body is in.........just what your body is doing with the test your putting in. 10 years on at 55 sounds to me like a life time HRT sentence. Then again HRT will probably be a part of my life at 55 anyway, unless they come up with something better in the next 20+ years.

Yeah, he basically said it was HRT and he couldn't come off even if he wanted to.

 

[ironcowboy]

Common HRT is really about 75mg/wk so this guy is fooling himself if he calls it HRT. He's on a long term cycle. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that but the dosage definitely supraphysiologic.

 

[lifesabitch]

There's a guy in my gym who's 55 years old...dude looks amazing..better than most guys in their 20's and 30's, big and hard as a rock.

Anyway, we get to talking and the juice comes up..he told me he has been on without coming off at all in 10 years..That's right 10 years!!!!

He takes 500 mgs of test, 400 mgs of eg and 400 mgs of Deca per week.
I'm not sure if that's the same cycle he has been on the last 10 years or so, but he did say he gets blood work done every 2 months and everything checks out fine.

After talking to him it made me think staying on year round could be worth it.

That is a LOT of Freakin money!

 

[DISPOSABLE HERO]

All right here we go! I can't believe it. I'm off one week, and I'm already going to my secret stash, and looking at the goodies I have. I have my next cycle all ready to go!! Every detail!! It's going to be the best ever.
I'm never going to make 8 weeks off! I'm still in the middle of PCT.
Bro's, give me some opinions. What will happen if I can't wait that long? Say I only wait a month? I know, I know. I feel like a newbie sayin this shit! My main concern is that, if I cut the off time short will the cycle be as effective?
This sucks, I timed the Summer Cycle all fucked up. I should be going on now, not off!
Come on you bros, vets, and Mods, with big brains, help a Bro out. Tell me it will be OK. (fuckin pathetic) I can't believe I'm losing my mind already!
What a dick I am. (At least a big Dick!)
Talk to me my Brothers, answer this pathetic cry for help! LOL

I'm really not stupid, just nuts!
That crazy old graybass

the way i see it,life is always a gamble and there is always a price to pay.if you can accept the consequinces, good or bad,then go for it.bear in mind i like to stay on year round though,alternating between cycles with 500mg testwk.you can't win if you don't play,lol.

 

[Salvia]

i'm in week 5 of my cycle,and i've already started gathering my next cycle and have the one after that planned out.....lol

 

[graybass]

Life Style!

I feel a lot better now. I KNOW YOUR ALL NUTS!! LOL! Most of you are as crazy as me. Yahoo! Really though, I'd like to think that I can still recover after my next cycle. We'll see. After my next Long cycle, and PCT, I'm going to do the blood work. At my age (40 something) Hrt is right around the corner.
Still going to try take some down time. (back away from the stash box!)

Thanks to all my experienced Bro's for their input on a serious question!

Graybass

 

[Deca]

This is why AAS are illegal. So that people dont abuse them a take them for retarded amounts of time. ie EVERYDAY.. ALL YEAR ROUND! What are you people thinking? Your body is not supose to run like that. For heavens sake people, if your not competing, try to only use roids 1-2 times a year! And for only 8-10 weeks! Unless you just love the idea of jamming a needle in your crusty old ass at the age of 60 cause you cant produce any god damn testosterone! Where are the mods on this thread?! Seriously mods.. is this what meso-rx is helping people do?! Natural chemical surrpression is not cool people! You will adversely effect your body, I garrentee it. And if you dont care about your body, then join the damn army and go and fight in Iraq, cause your gonna die someday.. right?!