Just a little advice please.... Flames not needed

[RickRage]

I am asking for the OG's here only please. If you don't have a lot of AAS experience , please just be a spectator.

I will be trying this cycle soon your input will be valued. I have a few cycles under my belt. But, running stale and want to use a more scientific approach this time.

12- 16 week cycle

Weeks 1-10
HGH. 240iu. - 3ius everyday at bedtime
Insulin as needed for High sugar
Sustanon 250mg .- 250mg 2x a week
Primobolan E 100mg - 100mg 3x a week
Dbol 20 mg - 10mg 2x a day
Proviron 25mg.- 12.5mg 2x a day

Weeks. 8-16
HGH 240iu - 3 ius every night
Insulin as needed

Sustanon 250mg - 250mg a week
masteron E 200mg - 200mg 2x a week
Anavar 50mg - 25mg. 2x a day
Proviron 25mg - 25mg a day

 

[Juicedhead]

Depends on your goals. What are your goals for this cycle?

 

[Juicedhead]

Its a solid cycle. One thing I would consider changing is running your orals for 4 weeks at a higher dose and then give your body a break before starting the var. For me personally if I run orals for a long periods I notice I get toxic which fucks everything up. The other thing is I noticed your dosages actaully go down after 10 weeks is there a reason for that? I would start lower and increase dosages as the cycle goes along to keep the gains coming.

 

[Pinnacle Elements]

Its a solid cycle. One thing I would consider changing is running your orals for 4 weeks at a higher dose and then give your body a break before starting the var. For me personally if I run orals for a long periods I notice I get toxic which fucks everything up. The other thing is I noticed your dosages actaully go down after 10 weeks is there a reason for that? I would start lower and increase dosages as the cycle goes along to keep the gains coming.

What do you mean by get toxic

 

[DECLAN]

What do you mean by get toxic

When the geiger counter beeps I think lolol.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Nothing egregiously bad here but why the change of compounds from primo to mast?

Also, 16 weeks of orals is a LOT.

 

[Sector]

I am asking for the OG's here only please. If you don't have a lot of AAS experience , please just be a spectator.

I will be trying this cycle soon your input will be valued. I have a few cycles under my belt. But, running stale and want to use a more scientific approach this time.

12- 16 week cycle

Weeks 1-10
HGH. 240iu. - 3ius everyday at bedtime
Insulin as needed for High sugar
Sustanon 250mg .- 250mg 2x a week
Primobolan E 100mg - 100mg 3x a week
Dbol 20 mg - 10mg 2x a day
Proviron 25mg.- 12.5mg 2x a day

Weeks. 8-16
HGH 240iu - 3 ius every night
Insulin as needed

Sustanon 250mg - 250mg a week
masteron E 200mg - 200mg 2x a week
Anavar 50mg - 25mg. 2x a day
Proviron 25mg - 25mg a day

Kind of a weird cycle layout.

Run the test @500mg for 16 weeks. This part is fine.

Running dbol for 10 weeks is goofy
Running proviron for 16 weeks is goofy.
Running anavar for 8 weeks is solid, but with all those other orals you're overdoing it.
If running mast e, run it atleast 12 weeks. Same with primobolan

I'd say drop the proviron. I was never impressed with it, didn't notice much aside from a little bit of libido , and maybe a slight drying effect.

Are you trying to bulk, or cut?

If bulking do:
500 test
40mg dbol for 5 weeks
3iu gh ed
Can also stack primo + masteron to reduce water retention

If cutting, do the same, just swap the dbol for the var. I wouldn't run dbol + proviron + anavar over the course of 16 weeks though. That's too much, your lipids will hate you for it, your liver probably will too.

You probably won't need insulin for blood sugar at only 3iu gh ed, unless your diet is atrocious and full of garbage sugar and you don't do cardio. In other words, do your cardio, keep the carbs relatively moderate and the blood sugar shouldn't be an issue, unless you have some pre existing condition or w/e. I find metformin to be amazing for controlling blood sugar, and increasing insulin sensitivity with GH. If you're cutting you can also add a GLP 1 agonist like semaglutide or tirzepatide, and this will also help blood sugar and (I believe insulin sensitivity too?). Obviously If you're bulking you don't want to take a GLP1 that'll supress your appetite

 

[RickRage]

Depends on your goals. What are your goals for this cycle?

Just working on the best Me. Working on slowly losing fat with positive muscle gain.nothing drastic, I have time 1 . Maybe compete , maybe not

 

[RickRage]

Its a solid cycle. One thing I would consider changing is running your orals for 4 weeks at a higher dose and then give your body a break before starting the var. For me personally if I run orals for a long periods I notice I get toxic which fucks everything up. The other thing is I noticed your dosages actaully go down after 10 weeks is there a reason for that? I would start lower and increase dosages as the cycle goes along to keep the gains coming.

Well, It's a 12 - 16 wk cycle just tapering it down after 10 weeks

 

[RickRage]

Kind of a weird cycle layout.

Run the test @500mg for 16 weeks. This part is fine.

Running dbol for 10 weeks is goofy
Running proviron for 16 weeks is goofy.
Running anavar for 8 weeks is solid, but with all those other orals you're overdoing it.
If running mast e, run it atleast 12 weeks. Same with primobolan

I'd say drop the proviron. I was never impressed with it, didn't notice much aside from a little bit of libido , and maybe a slight drying effect.

Are you trying to bulk, or cut?

If bulking do:
500 test
40mg dbol for 5 weeks
3iu gh ed
Can also stack primo + masteron to reduce water retention

If cutting, do the same, just swap the dbol for the var. I wouldn't run dbol + proviron + anavar over the course of 16 weeks though. That's too much, your lipids will hate you for it, your liver probably will too.

You probably won't need insulin for blood sugar at only 3iu gh ed, unless your diet is atrocious and full of garbage sugar and you don't do cardio. In other words, do your cardio, keep the carbs relatively moderate and the blood sugar shouldn't be an issue, unless you have some pre existing condition or w/e. I find metformin to be amazing for controlling blood sugar, and increasing insulin sensitivity with GH. If you're cutting you can also add a GLP 1 agonist like semaglutide or tirzepatide, and this will also help blood sugar and (I believe insulin sensitivity too?). Obviously If you're bulking you don't want to take a GLP1 that'll supress your appetite

thank you for your input . I will absorb it and think about modifications

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I am asking for the OG's here only please. If you don't have a lot of AAS experience , please just be a spectator.

I will be trying this cycle soon your input will be valued. I have a few cycles under my belt. But, running stale and want to use a more scientific approach this time.

12- 16 week cycle

Weeks 1-10
HGH. 240iu. - 3ius everyday at bedtime
Insulin as needed for High sugar
Sustanon 250mg .- 250mg 2x a week
Primobolan E 100mg - 100mg 3x a week
Dbol 20 mg - 10mg 2x a day
Proviron 25mg.- 12.5mg 2x a day

Weeks. 8-16
HGH 240iu - 3 ius every night
Insulin as needed

Sustanon 250mg - 250mg a week
masteron E 200mg - 200mg 2x a week
Anavar 50mg - 25mg. 2x a day
Proviron 25mg - 25mg a day

I would suggest to use metformin instead of insulin "as needed"
even then, the amount of anabolics should help control your blood sugar.

I agree with @Mac11wildcat , thats alot of orals and really unnecessary.

I dont understand the changing of mast vs primo either. why do that?
Proviron is a waste of money IMO. trash it. use mast in place.

I doubt you would need slin to control blood sugar at 3iu nightly

 

[Sector]

thank you for your input . I will absorb it and think about modifications

Just keep the cycle simple man

Test for 16 weeks
One Oral for 4-6 weeks
Can run mast and/or primo for 16 weeks
3iu gh ed

Simple. Effective

 

[AlexDavis43]

I doubt you would need slin to control blood sugar at 3iu nightly

Seems like @RickRage is also trying to put on mass. A little 'slin might help there.

Insulin as needed for High sugar

For blood sugars, check out dihydroberberine and if necessary, empagliflozin (or any SGLT2i). Plus keep cardio up. Would say low carb diet but that might not be great if building mass is a primary goal.

 

[Sector]

Seems like @RickRage is also trying to put on mass. A little 'slin might help there.



For blood sugars, check out dihydroberberine and if necessary, empagliflozin (or any SGLT2i). Plus keep cardio up. Would say low carb diet but that might not be great if building mass is a primary goal.

Yeah 5iu pre and post could be beneficial, but based on the cycle layout, I'm inclined to say he's more on the novice side, and insulin is slightly more advanced. Not complicated, but the right protocols need to be in place. God forbid he goes hypo while driving or something

 

[AlexDavis43]

God forbid he goes hypo while driving or something

Good point. I forgot my usual warning: have extra carbs everywhere. In your gym bag, at work, in your car, etc.

 

[RickRage]

Yeah 5iu pre and post could be beneficial, but based on the cycle layout, I'm inclined to say he's more on the novice side, and insulin is slightly more advanced. Not complicated, but the right protocols need to be in place. God forbid he goes hypo while driving or something

I am type 2 diabetic I use slin to combat my high sugar readings

 

[RickRage]

Yeah 5iu pre and post could be beneficial, but based on the cycle layout, I'm inclined to say he's more on the novice side, and insulin is slightly more advanced. Not complicated, but the right protocols need to be in place. God forbid he goes hypo while driving or something

I am " Novice at "AAS". This why I am asking.

 

[Sector]

I am " Novice at "AAS". This why I am asking.

Yeah no worries man. We're trying to help

 

[Sector]

I am type 2 diabetic I use slin to combat my high sugar readings

Ahh that makes sense then. So you probably already know how to use it properly.

 

[RickRage]

I am asking for the OG's here only please. If you don't have a lot of AAS experience , please just be a spectator.

I will be trying this cycle soon your input will be valued. I have a few cycles under my belt. But, running stale and want to use a more scientific approach this time.

12- 16 week cycle

Weeks 1-10
HGH. 240iu. - 3ius everyday at bedtime
Insulin as needed for High sugar
Sustanon 250mg .- 250mg 2x a week
Primobolan E 100mg - 100mg 3x a week
Dbol 20 mg - 10mg 2x a day
Proviron 25mg.- 12.5mg 2x a day

Weeks. 8-16
HGH 240iu - 3 ius every night
Insulin as needed

Sustanon 250mg - 250mg a week
masteron E 200mg - 200mg 2x a week
Anavar 50mg - 25mg. 2x a day
Proviron 25mg - 25mg a day

I also want to state that I am 53 yrs old. 5'9" and 237lbs. With 13.8 % Bf. And a type 2 diabetic lol. If that helps