Just starting HRT

willie2

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Doctor just started me on HRT. I'm 55, been lifting for years. When I went to the doctor it was for legitimate reasons. I lost all interest in activities I use to love, lost all interest in sex and was sleeping every time I sat down. He tested my test levels and said I was real low. We tried the gel but it didn't do anything for me. Started the injections 4 days ago. I do feel a major difference. My question is; he has me on 1 injection every 2 weeks. Will that be a proper maintenance dose? Also, I could never get a "pump" like I did when I was younger. Will the test help that or do I need to look at something else to increase my pumps?

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willie2
 
I think you'll get more consistent results by doing your injections weekly. Not as much spikes up then tes levels dropping low. I'd rec 200mg. weekly, 200mg. every 2 weeks won't keep you feeling as good. I think your pumps should improve, mine are good when my tes levels are high(I'm 51 now) Had you done any cycles previously, before you were checked out? Greg B.
 
supwiz said:
I think you'll get more consistent results by doing your injections weekly. Not as much spikes up then tes levels dropping low. I'd rec 200mg. weekly, 200mg. every 2 weeks won't keep you feeling as good. I think your pumps should improve, mine are good when my tes levels are high(I'm 51 now) Had you done any cycles previously, before you were checked out? Greg B.

supwiz...I did a cycle earlier in the year without a lot of good results. My cycle was 500mg of test cyp/400mg of EQ per week. Gained about 5# total. Worked out regularly and I feel my diet was good. Not great but good. Either the gear was junk or I wasn't doing enough with the low test levels.
 
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Willie,

900mg of any type of real AAS will have you feeling super, and putting on serious muscle if you do it correctly. Based on 5# I would assume one of the two factors:

Not enough proteins in your diet (2g/kg bodyweight) or
Fake gear.

As for where you are at now, I assume you are on Test Cypionate? Since that is the most common medically prescribed. However, the problem is that Cypionate has a half life where it has basically tapered off by the time your second injection comes around. Even if you were to stay at the same (200mg/2 weeks) I think you would be better doing 100mg/week.

I don't want to jump on top of some other docs orders, but most of the research points towards an individual needing a minimum of 200mg/week to maintain a range that is normal for someone of around 25 years old. Since you already know your levels were on the low side, I would probably up your dose to 400mg/week.

Your doc will most likely never prescribe that high of an amount. Insurance companies and regulators take a real close look anytime the prescription goes above 200mg/week. Also, I doubt he will even discuss this amount "on the record". You can find a few other places to help you out. Do a search for "Growth Hormone, Florida" on the internet. You will find a place that can legally prescribe TRT at those levels due to formulating their own esthers. (Sorry, but I don't feel comfortable posting the name on the open forum)

Hope this helps.....

Kemo
 
kemo said:
Willie,

900mg of any type of real AAS will have you feeling super, and putting on serious muscle if you do it correctly. Based on 5# I would assume one of the two factors:

Not enough proteins in your diet (2g/kg bodyweight) or
Fake gear.

As for where you are at now, I assume you are on Test Cypionate? Since that is the most common medically prescribed. However, the problem is that Cypionate has a half life where it has basically tapered off by the time your second injection comes around. Even if you were to stay at the same (200mg/2 weeks) I think you would be better doing 100mg/week.

I don't want to jump on top of some other docs orders, but most of the research points towards an individual needing a minimum of 200mg/week to maintain a range that is normal for someone of around 25 years old. Since you already know your levels were on the low side, I would probably up your dose to 400mg/week.

Your doc will most likely never prescribe that high of an amount. Insurance companies and regulators take a real close look anytime the prescription goes above 200mg/week. Also, I doubt he will even discuss this amount "on the record". You can find a few other places to help you out. Do a search for "Growth Hormone, Florida" on the internet. You will find a place that can legally prescribe TRT at those levels due to formulating their own esthers. (Sorry, but I don't feel comfortable posting the name on the open forum)

Hope this helps.....

Kemo

Though it varies Kemo, 125mg/week usually puts a person in the top range. Though I do know a 280lb guy who on 200mg/week is about 2/3 up the range not the top
 
Ronin_ said:
Though it varies Kemo, 125mg/week usually puts a person in the top range. Though I do know a 280lb guy who on 200mg/week is about 2/3 up the range not the top


Ronin....I think that would depend on the test you are running. Are you testing total T levels or unbound levels? In most of the research I have studied it was shown that a level below 200mg was sufficient to upset the HPTA and therefore shutdown the release of LH, thereby shutting off production on endogenous testosterone. While the combination of exogenous testosterone with the yet to be suppressed natural test will yield total levels initially high in the range, after approximately 6 weeks (depending on the esther used and the affinity to adrogenize) the levels will start to decrease. At day 63 of a cycle below 200mg/week an average male was shown to have "free" testosterone levels 10% lower than what was tested prior to the cycle.

I am interested in your findings.....what was the levels of the subject prior to replacement therapy, did they have previous AAS use, and what was the ages? Were you using a fast acting/clearing esther or the typical cypionate? What about the blood work? Please don't think I am trying to flame you, I am geniunely curious.

Sincerely......

Kemo
 
When it comes to HRT, dont worry too much about half-life timing with every 2 week injections. The human body releases Testosterone in bursts, and therefore, having constant blood levels of Test is not too important (within reason of course). This is why scientists do not mind administering every 2 weeks. If the doc would do every week injections, then I would go that route. What I am saying is that dont worry with every 2 week injections. Overall, you would probably see no difference.

Your friend,

Mark
 
TRT injections must be dosed at intervals no greater than one week.

200mg per week will take most men to about twice the top of "normal" range for total T. It is therefore not appropriate medicine unless need is so demonstrated by follow-up labwork. Most men use about 100mg per week. In fact, there is no correlation whatsoever beteen body weight, severity of hypogonadism, steroid history, etc. which gives any insight into what the ultimate correct dose will be. That is why follow-up testing, and not a "cookie-cutter" approach is necessary.

Kemo, you are the victim of some bad info. I have treated hundreds of patients with TRT, and no insurance company has yet asked what the dosing is. Also, there is no such research that you post. Please refer to my previous paragraph. Finally, the compounding pharmacy you hint at is not operating according to DEA law, and is surely going to get busted. What ester they formulate has nothing to do with their legality. I do thank you for not posting an addy that I would just have to delete, however.

Mark--You are quite incorrect, as well. Establishing and maintaining a stable serum androgen level is of paramount importance in correctly administering TRT. Too, most men who are on it are quite supressed by it, and were hypogonadal to start (which is why they are on the TRT). Also, the "bursts" of endogenous testosterone occur in a daily circadian rythm, not spread out over a fortnight.
 
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SWALE said:
TRT injections must be dosed at intervals no greater than one week.

200mg per week will take most men to about twice the top of "normal" range for total T. It is therefore not appropriate medicine unless need is so demonstrated by follow-up labwork. Most men use about 100mg per week. In fact, there is no correlation whatsoever beteen body weight, severity of hypogonadism, steroid history, etc. which gives any insight into what the ultimate correct dose will be. That is why follow-up testing, and not a "cookie-cutter" approach is necessary.

Kemo, you are the victim of some bad info. I have treated hundreds of patients with TRT, and no insurance company has yet asked what the dosing is. Also, there is no such research that you post. Please refer to my previous paragraph. Finally, the compounding pharmacy you hint at is not operating according to DEA law, and is surely going to get busted. What ester they formulate has nothing to do with their legality. I do thank you for not posting an addy that I would just have to delete, however.

Mark--You are quite incorrect, as well. Establishing and maintaining a stable serum androgen level is of paramount importance in correctly administering TRT. Too, most men who are on it are quite supressed by it, and were hypogonadal to start (which is why they are on the TRT). Also, the "bursts" of endogenous testosterone occur in a daily circadian rythm, not spread out over a fortnight.

I want to thank everyone for their input. I think I will ask the doctor about every week injections when I revisit him in a month. Right now I still feel good. It has been 8 days since the 1st injection. If I can't get the doctor to go for 1 a week injections, can I supplement without messing up my blood work? I would supplement with 100/200mg of test cyp.
Any help would be appreciated...

willie2
 
If we are limited to about 100mg per week as a prescribed dose then can someone tell me what the point of TRT is for a bodybuilder. I mean 100mg per week isnt goignt to do much for a bodybuilder.

willie2 said:
I want to thank everyone for their input. I think I will ask the doctor about every week injections when I revisit him in a month. Right now I still feel good. It has been 8 days since the 1st injection. If I can't get the doctor to go for 1 a week injections, can I supplement without messing up my blood work? I would supplement with 100/200mg of test cyp.
Any help would be appreciated...

willie2
 
atlmo said:
If we are limited to about 100mg per week as a prescribed dose then can someone tell me what the point of TRT is for a bodybuilder. I mean 100mg per week isnt goignt to do much for a bodybuilder.

IMO, I feel that it applies because there are a great many body builders who were anabolic steroid abusers at one time or another in their lives..and some of these body builders are now on permanent HRT. I have nothing to base this on, but I believe that often times people who have naturally low Testosterone gravitate towards anabolic androgenic steroids because it makes them "feel" better, or maybe even feel normal. So I think there is a VERY direct correlation between Body builders and HRT...and then of course there are the obvious similarities that involve needles full of testosterones... ;)
 
I now ask all prospective patients questions meant to ferret this out. I've gotten quite a few guys off form AAS and on to good, healthy TRT like this.
 
"I've gotten quite a few guys off form AAS and on to good, healthy TRT like this."

SWALE,,,though I understand what you mean by this,,,Your wording may leave room for confusion,,,After all the Test you give your patients is an AAS,,,What you meant to say is,,,You've gotten many off of abusive aas cycles and unto a supervised TRT cycle,,,VDC
 
Good point, VDC. I have never prescribed a steroid, or even testosterone at steroid dosages (which means inducing a total testosterone above normal range, more or less). So it might really be just a question of magnitude. Either way, actions following androgen receptor activation bring health and happiness as serum concentrations go from low to the top of "normal" range. Above that, men just get happier. LOL.
 

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