Karl - Sciroxx Supplier SteroidsFax MIA

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Yup. I guess the bullshit, cockmeasuring will continue. Since everyone continues to display the uncontrollable compulsion to respond to any post the other makes.

U guys chase eachother around calling into question anything soemone on the other "team" says. Its ridiculous.

I've done it too.

Here's the thing, Stretch. The Deca thread had the potential to be a great learning opportunity for Meso. Despite the noise, the thread was moving toward a consensus regarding NPP when PC felt the need to jump in with the usual broscience that he loves so much and boasting about his "credentials" as he always does, for no other reason than to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. The result was confusion and any learning opportunity was lost. He did the same thing in the Anavar dose response thread.

PC has clearly demonstrated a lack of understanding in the past about how to use deca, (wanting to use deca for only 4 weeks), yet now he thinks he's qualified to ruin a productive thread with his "expert knowledge."

Recall in the Anavar thread, PC's first post stated Anavar had diminishing returns above 60mg QD. As soon as I posted a study that supported PC's OWN ASSERTIONS, he rejected the paper and his earlier statement and referred to Dorian Yates using a bottle per day. He totally destroyed any value that thread had for learning and the result was confusion. That's his MO. Same thing in the Deca thread.

Disagreements happen here all the time but the result usually benefits everybody. Why are the disagreements with PC different? He has shown no interest in getting at the truth unless HE presents it. He posts for no other reason than for the boost to his ego (clearly shown by his incessant bragging in almost every single post, about his achievements, who he know, what he has, etc.). He has been able to fool a lot of people with his BS but he offers nothing of value to Meso. He is a troll.

The sooner you and everybody else understand that, the better Meso will be.

 

[Stretch]

Here's the thing, Stretch. The Deca thread had the potential to be a great learning opportunity for Meso. Despite the noise, the thread was moving toward a consensus regarding NPP when PC felt the need to jump in with the usual broscience that he loves so much and boasting about his "credentials" as he always does, for no other reason than to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. The result was confusion and any learning opportunity was lost. He did the same thing in the Anavar dose response thread.

PC has clearly demonstrated a lack of understanding in the past about how to use deca, (wanting to use deca for only 4 weeks), yet now he thinks he's qualified to ruin a productive thread with his "expert knowledge."

Recall in the Anavar thread, PC's first post stated Anavar had diminishing returns above 60mg QD. As soon as I posted a study that supported PC's OWN ASSERTIONS, he rejected the paper and his earlier statement and referred to Dorian Yates using a bottle per day. He totally destroyed any value that thread had for learning and the result was confusion. That's his MO. Same thing in the Deca thread.

Disagreements happen here all the time but the result usually benefits everybody. Why are the disagreements PC different? He has shown no interest in getting at the truth unless HE presents it. He posts for no other reason than for the boost to his ego. He has been able to fool a lot of people with his BS but he offers nothing of value to Meso. He is a troll.

The sooner you and everybody else understand that, the better Meso will be.

Using your own argument.

If PC is a troll.

Starvation is the preferred method kill a troll IMO. You guys antagonize eachother now. Maybe he started it...I dunno. Its not important to me. NOW there are antagonistic unprofitable posts coming from both sides.

I'm just sick of it. I know it gives a good excuse for your giant brains to brush up on your Latin (the pinnacle of "look how smart I am"). But it does nothing beneficial for the forum, imo. Correct eachother respectfully, and the arguing becomes a learning situation. Without respect we are just kids bickering.

It should go without saying that I am speaking to PC as much as anyone here.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Using your own argument.

If PC is a troll.

Starvation is the preferred method kill a troll IMO. You guys antagonize eachother now. Maybe he started it...I dunno. Its not important to me. NOW there are antagonistic unprofitable posts coming from both sides.

I'm just sick of it. I know it gives a good excuse for your giant brains to brush up on your Latin (the pinnacle of "look how smart I am"). But it does nothing beneficial for the forum, imo. Correct eachother respectfully, and the arguing becomes a learning situation. Without respect we are just kids bickering.

It should go without saying that I am speaking to PC as much as anyone here.

Your E-2 is high. - butch up!
No likee, no clickee.

 

[Dr JIM]

Stretch with respect, I believe CBSs points are about as cogent as they can be. Are you suggesting we both ignore PCs posts which may and have contradicted or ignored known literature, (I know better) to diminish Meso related conflicts.

This I can not do my friend, otherwise my purpose on Meso is baseless, and without merit.

I'll opt for conflict over science fiction all day long.
WHY? Because the primary reason BB is NOT considered a "sport" by many is the undeniable bias of "lore over science" throughout the "bro" community. I honestly believe I can help improve that void by using Meso as the conduit and venue.

Consequently to facilitate Meso harmony, I suggest PCs talents are better utilized as a member and/or mentor of an AAS forum which is less bound to the literature and more committed to the development, contrasts and comparisons of individual BB experiences.

There are several "bro-sites" (I'm not using that term in the pejorative sense whatsoever) on the web since the Meso literature based preference, led by Dr Scally, is the unequivocal outlier.

Best regards
Jim

 

[euroking]

i dont know karl in real life ore have any buisness related to him

but as far i know he is not new to into this he knows his shit he got fucked by axio in the past this is something i know for a fact and i have not heard any bad reviews about his producst only top notch and he take care of his customer

 

[Stretch]

Couldn't he be corrected if he errs on the science without anyone calling into question whether its him in his avatar or not? Or without references to his psychological health? These are the antagonistic comments I am referring to. These bring nothing but a distraction to the points at hand(science), and detract not only from the credibility of the posters but also from the credibility of the board.

If he wants to say he THIS or THAT without providing verification, who cares? You think he's in fantasy land? Big deal. I know he uses these points as a way to add credibility to his statements, and therefore you are compelled to detract from this (false) reputation in order to show that the (false) doctrine he promotes has no merit, since he himself is IYO a fraud. I get that. But isn't the science strong enough to stand on its own? I don't care what Jay Cutler says, if there are medical studies showing the opposite, then Jay is wrong.

Now, if he says inject the gear in ur eyeball, refute him. Show why he's wrong, and leave it. People will see who is narcissistic, and who is a liar for themselves. But the situation as it has been is just tiresome. This will be my final post on the matter. I certainly don't want to get between people on the internet who are arguing...and argue with them for the sake of ceasing the original argument! LOL. ([)]Seems like there should be a Latin phrase for that...help me out CocknBallSucker[)]kidding!)
I just hoped a third party opinion could be beneficial.

I understand that Jim and CBS see PC as a threat, giving what they perceive to be poor advice, which damages the forum, and its younger members. I applaud your efforts, even if I personally believe the methods could use refining.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

This will be my final post on the matter. I certainly don't want to get between people on the internet who are arguing...and argue with them for the sake of ceasing the original argument! LOL. ([)]Seems like there should be a Latin phrase for that...help me out CocknBallSucker[)]kidding!)
I just hoped a third party opinion could be beneficial.
.

Sigh... Stretch, there is indeed a latin proverb for that scenario - inter gladium et iugulum - but since you have succumbed to your obsession with the male anatomy yet again, I won't translate it for you.

 

[Pericles]

PC
Why do you believe a "bet" is warranted to prove your worth to this forum?

Your actions (posts) speak louder than your words fella!

I will PROMISE to submit to ALL of you posts should you provide UNEQUIVOCAL proof for the following;

OK...but lets agree to the payment, except I never was a professional bodybuilder. I never claimed to be a pro, I did, however win 2 big NPC shows.

I had pro level legs, but not the rest.

Everything else is true and can be verified. All I ask is that you agree on the amount of the bet before we start. If smaller, you leaving this forum can count for part of the money.. So, do your agree? If I am a fraud, this is you chance. I too will leave this forum.

I posit $5K. If you can not afford to lose that much, then ask for a lower amount.

1) A Phd granted from as US based university


2) A BLACK BELT in any form of martial arts, received in the US

3) have won ANY US based BB contest on the PROFESSIONAL level.

4) qualifications which would justify your claims to being a "Trained Research Scientist"

You have my word on this PC, moreover should you submit ALL of this info I will leave Meso, no questions asked!


Otherwise stop the whining about how life and those on Meso aren't being fair!

Jim

Please take the bet.

 

[Pericles]

Couldn't he be corrected if he errs on the science without anyone calling into question whether its him in his avatar or not? Or without references to his psychological health? These are the antagonistic comments I am referring to. These bring nothing but a distraction to the points at hand(science), and detract not only from the credibility of the posters but also from the credibility of the board.

If he wants to say he THIS or THAT without providing verification, who cares? You think he's in fantasy land? Big deal. I know he uses these points as a way to add credibility to his statements, and therefore you are compelled to detract from this (false) reputation in order to show that the (false) doctrine he promotes has no merit, since he himself is IYO a fraud. I get that. But isn't the science strong enough to stand on its own? I don't care what Jay Cutler says, if there are medical studies showing the opposite, then Jay is wrong.

Now, if he says inject the gear in ur eyeball, refute him. Show why he's wrong, and leave it. People will see who is narcissistic, and who is a liar for themselves. But the situation as it has been is just tiresome. This will be my final post on the matter. I certainly don't want to get between people on the internet who are arguing...and argue with them for the sake of ceasing the original argument! LOL. ([)]Seems like there should be a Latin phrase for that...help me out CocknBallSucker[)]kidding!)
I just hoped a third party opinion could be beneficial.

I understand that Jim and CBS see PC as a threat, giving what they perceive to be poor advice, which damages the forum, and its younger members. I applaud your efforts, even if I personally believe the methods could use refining.

Oh no your didn't!!! CockandBallSucker is my intellectual property! [)]

Speaking of CBS, surely you want in on this bet, yes? If you can't spare the money, then agree to leave.

Just remember, I never claimed to be a pro. I won shows that would qualify one to go to nationals, but I never went, because I would get crushed. I actually had much better genetics for Martial arts.

Every other claim is true, and can be verified. We will need to get pumping iron in on this, since I certainly do not wan't to post my face. As mentioned, he is close. He can look at my pics, and verify that they are me, and also take a look at the trophies. They were 18.5 years ago, but you can tell it is me. Also, at my ripe age I am 230 lbs, w/ about an 11-12% bf level.

I received my BB from a professional mma competitor. However, the lineage goes back to Japan.

Oh, and stretch, yes the advice about the amount gear needed to win is not safe.

I never said it was. In fact, I was having a discussion w/ I guy who I started working with, but we had a falling out: I told him he needed to do 2 hours of cardio a day, he refused and took 4th. Guy has a ton of muscle, but came in too smooth. We were talking about cycles, and laughing about all the internet geniuses.

The way high level competitors use is, they get all the money they can. They then buy as much gear as they can, and divide it up over the weeks leading up to the contest. The pros do the same thing.

In any event, lets get this bet going.

 

[Pericles]

Sigh...such ignorance!

Here's the thing, Stretch. The Deca thread had the potential to be a great learning opportunity for Meso. Despite the noise, the thread was moving toward a consensus regarding NPPwhen PC felt the need to jump in with the usual broscience that he loves so much and boasting about his "credentials" as he always does, for no other reason than to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

Do you mean the consensus that you and Jim came up with? You both claimed that since you could not understand WHY NPP causes less water gain, then it must not. My "credentials were......wait for it....I have run both NPP and Deca! I held much less water on NPP. Everyone I know has seen the same phenomena. Stretch also pointed this fact out. The resultant confusion for newbs is that your 100% unqualified view has them perpleced. Have you run both deca and NPP? Have you ever lifted a weight? Still waiting for some pics, as you superior understanding must produce a great looking body. So yes, there was confusion thanks to your ignorance on the subject. And BTW, I ran deca for 6 weeks on this cycle, not 4. I swapped it out w/ the same amount of Mast. Your prediction of losing all gains has not happened. I agree, it is this kind of bullshit the confuses people.

The result was confusion and any learning opportunity was lost. He did the same thing in the Anavar dose response thread.

I said that 80 mgs was the best for me, but after that, yes, I get diminishing returns. For 2 big bbs I know, 100 is the sweet spot.

PC has clearly demonstrated a lack of understanding in the past about how to use deca, (wanting to use deca for only 4 weeks), yet now he thinks he's qualified to ruin a productive thread with his "expert knowledge."

Recall in the Anavar thread, PC's first post stated Anavar had diminishing returns above 60mg QD. As soon as I posted a study that supported PC's OWN ASSERTIONS, he rejected the paper and his earlier statement and referred to Dorian Yates using a bottle per day. He totally destroyed any value that thread had for learning and the result was confusion. That's his MO. Same thing in the Deca thread.

Disagreements happen here all the time but the result usually benefits everybody. Why are the disagreements with PC different? He has shown no interest in getting at the truth unless HE presents it. He posts for no other reason than for the boost to his ego (clearly shown by his incessant bragging in almost every single post, about his achievements, who he know, what he has, etc.). He has been able to fool a lot of people with his BS but he offers nothing of value to Meso. He is a troll.

The sooner you and everybody else understand that, the better Meso will be.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Speaking of CBS, surely you want in on this bet, yes? If you can't spare the money, then agree to leave.

I already told you once, you're no going to force me into your straw man arguments. Answer Dr Jims questions and stop trying to create diversions.

Every other claim is true, and can be verified. We will need to get pumping iron in on this, since I certainly do not wan't to post my face. As mentioned, he is close. He can look at my pics, and verify that they are me, and also take a look at the trophies. They were 18.5 years ago, but you can tell it is me. Also, at my ripe age I am 230 lbs, w/ about an 11-12% bf level.

LMFAO!! Yeah right! An anonymous poster is going to verify the credentials of another anonymous poster. If you think you're going to find a sucker anywhere that will wager on that, you're nuts. Is this a fucking joke? Try again, hombre.

 

[Millard]

What is becoming the real problem now is that every thread turns into a discussion of Pericles accomplishments and whether or not his claims are true. This is silly.

What if everything he said is true?

What if he's not telling the truth?

So what.

It has no relevance to the discussion/debate on the topics at hand.

If Jay Cutler or Phil Heath made the same claims as Pericles would that make them any more or less true?

The truth is not based on Pericles proving his accomplishments any more than CBS or DrJim proving they're not true.

It's entertaining and all, but it's also nice to read a thread that is actually on topic too.

 

[Pericles]

I agree, Millard. Except if everything a said was false, it would make me out to be a liar.

It is, I can be arrogant. I have offered the Olive Branch on several occasions, all were rejected. When I hear nonsense like "you hold the same amount of water on NPP as you do on Deca" or "60 mgs is the top amount of anavar a 140lb HIV patient can benefit from, and this extrapolates the same characteristic for 240 lbs bodybuilders." I have to call bullshit. I then state what bodybuilders really do, why?

Because I am a bodybuilder, and know many, many other bodybuilders and power lifters. They all know that these conclusions by Jim and CBS about gear made are 100% ignorant. I also know that they are completely ignorant about how good studies are done. First, you need a good theory. Then it has to be valid, and reliable. Go back and look at the debate about these issues, and you will see that these studies offer very little for a competitor. The theory (about var and deca/NPP) flies in the face of a well established fact. There is a saying about statisticians, and that is "garbage in, Garbage out. Both papers offered nothing of value to what we are into, excellence in terms of performance enhancements. Thus, they were not valid. Nor was the data needed to examine causality evident.

I will give you an example of a good study (and why I got stuck w/ teaching stats). I had a theory, that alcohol consumption is tied to higher levls of violent crime. I broke down drinking and rates of violence for each zip code in the US. I then ran a regression analysis. Sure enough, both move together. It had very solid ANOVA scores (ANOVA is a way to ferret out bulshit). The theory was good, the validity and reliability were also strong.

In any event, let us hold to the agreed bet. If I am a fraud, I will leave. If I am not, then Jm must leave, hopefully CBS will go with him.

This agreement solves all problems.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

There are 2 or 3 people here who are involved in every argument. It's getting old. Dr. Jim starts shit just to start shit and then CBS is right there blowing Jim every time. Stop taking over threads to argue with each other! You guys are a bunch of Internet tough guys. We get it. Pericles, stop getting so butt hurt over little things. These guys are complete morons.

 

[mands]

I agree, Millard. Except if everything a said was false, it would make me out to be a liar.

It is, I can be arrogant. I have offered the Olive Branch on several occasions, all were rejected. When I hear nonsense like "you hold the same amount of water on NPP as you do on Deca" or "60 mgs is the top amount of anavar a 140lb HIV patient can benefit from, and this extrapolates the same characteristic for 240 lbs bodybuilders." I have to call bullshit. I then state what bodybuilders really do, why?

Because I am a bodybuilder, and know many, many other bodybuilders and power lifters. They all know that these conclusions by Jim and CBS about gear made are 100% ignorant. I also know that they are completely ignorant about how good studies are done. First, you need a good theory. Then it has to be valid, and reliable. Go back and look at the debate about these issues, and you will see that these studies offer very little for a competitor. The theory (about var and deca/NPP) flies in the face of a well established fact. There is a saying about statisticians, and that is "garbage in, Garbage out. Both papers offered nothing of value to what we are into, excellence in terms of performance enhancements. Thus, they were not valid. Nor was the data needed to examine causality evident.

I will give you an example of a good study (and why I got stuck w/ teaching stats). I had a theory, that alcohol consumption is tied to higher levls of violent crime. I broke down drinking and rates of violence for each zip code in the US. I then ran a regression analysis. Sure enough, both move together. It had very solid ANOVA scores (ANOVA is a way to ferret out bulshit). The theory was good, the validity and reliability were also strong.

In any event, let us hold to the agreed bet. If I am a fraud, I will leave. If I am not, then Jm must leave, hopefully CBS will go with him.

This agreement solves all problems.

Wow you agreee with Millard then go ahead and start rambling about your accomplishments and trying to prove yourself again. lol

Well I'm at 255 lbs. and I run Anavar at 30-45mg a day with amazing results. I also have ran NPP and Deca with absolutley no difference in water retetion or "bloat". It's all about diet, water intake, E2 control and cardio. Nandrolone acts very different then Testosterone or any other AAS for that matter with the same esters attached. If you think you are going to get into PCT faster with NPP over Deca you just haven't studied up enough.

The reason Pericles is questioned and I could give a shit less anymore, is that he came to this board without a clue. Now he is an expert on all things under the sun except how a light switch works.

And CBH if you think Dr JIM or CBS does not contribute more than the self proclaimed Guru of all things Pericles you are not as smart as I thought you were.

Also, if you think someone would take your bet Pericles you are mental. You putting a challenge out there that will never be taken or entertained is only showing your arrogance and ignorance. So, it will never prove anything. If you need pics of me I will be more and happy to post them up. Show you what low doses of AAS can really do.

mands

 

[Pericles]

Wow you agreee with Millard then go ahead and start rambling about your accomplishments and trying to prove yourself again. lol

Well I'm at 255 lbs. and I run Anavar at 30-45mg a day with amazing results. I also have ran NPP and Deca with absolutley no difference in water retetion or "bloat". It's all about diet, water intake, E2 control and cardio. Nandrolone acts very different then Testosterone or any other AAS for that matter with the same esters attached. If you think you are going to get into PCT faster with NPP over Deca you just haven't studied up enough.

The reason Pericles is questioned and I could give a shit less anymore, is that he came to this board without a clue. Now he is an expert on all things under the sun except how a light switch works.

And CBH if you think Dr JIM or CBS does not contribute more than the self proclaimed Guru of all things Pericles you are not as smart as I thought you were.

Also, if you think someone would take your bet Pericles you are mental. You putting a challenge out there that will never be taken or entertained is only showing your arrogance and ignorance. So, it will never prove anything. If you need pics of me I will be more and happy to post them up. Show you what low doses of AAS can really do.

mands

Ah yes, the third stooge. Are you Curly, or Shemp?

Do you even realize what you just did? You insult me, saying I brag about my accomplishments, and then you immediately start bragging about your own accomplishments. You do understand, that only an idiot would would construct such an argument, yes?

I have admitted, that yes, I am somewhat arrogant sometimes. I know that, and I don't dispute that fact. However, a lot of blood, sweat, tears and delayed gratification were involved.

Mands, you were the one who said if I only ran deca for 6 weeks that it would be a waste. Remember? Well, I ran deca 400mgs per week, test 500 per week, and var 60 mgs per day. My weight went from 218 to 231. I then dropped the deca and var, added Mast 400 per week (3 weeks ago) and the loss of water weight put me at my current weight, 228. And, I am actually stronger than I was 3 weeks ago.

Thus, your speculation that I would lose my gains from deca are complete nonsense.

Finally, you must be an exceptional competitor, seeing as you are 255. What contests have you won?

 

[DieYoungStrong]

Can we just start a "Flame Thread" where everyone can talk shit about each other, and keep it out of threads like this.

I'm sure Karl is going to swing by any minute, and throw down...the actual chances of him coming back to this thread are now NADA...

I got no dog in this fight and will remain on the sidelines, but this shit is getting ridiculous.

 

[smt71]

Ah yes, the third stooge. Are you Curly, or Shemp?

Do you even realize what you just did? You insult me, saying I brag about my accomplishments, and then you immediately start bragging about your own accomplishments. You do understand, that only an idiot would would construct such an argument, yes?

I have admitted, that yes, I am somewhat arrogant sometimes. I know that, and I don't dispute that fact. However, a lot of blood, sweat, tears and delayed gratification were involved.

Mands, you were the one who said if I only ran deca for 6 weeks that it would be a waste. Remember? Well, I ran deca 400mgs per week, test 500 per week, and var 60 mgs per day. My weight went from 218 to 231. I then dropped the deca and var, added Mast 400 per week (3 weeks ago) and the loss of water weight put me at my current weight, 228. And, I am actually stronger than I was 3 weeks ago.

Thus, your speculation that I would lose my gains from deca are complete nonsense.

Finally, you must be an exceptional competitor, seeing as you are 255. What contests have you won?

He wasn't bragging, he was making a point. He doesn't need to brag, his avatar speaks for itself. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it.

Let it go bro, you are letting your pent up anger and frustration cloud your judgment. It's getting the best of you. You have a lot to offer here, but it's getting lost in all this animosity.

 

[Pericles]

He wasn't bragging, he was making a point. He doesn't need to brag, his avatar speaks for itself. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it.

Let it go bro, you are letting your pent up anger and frustration cloud your judgment. It's getting the best of you. You have a lot to offer here, but it's getting lost in all this animosity.

I agree, and have made such an offer several times.

However, the bet between myself and Jim stands. No more words, just fact.

And yes, I do apologize to the OP.

Lets just settle this matter and move on.

 

[kawilt]

What a coincidence. my contact disappeared a couple of weeks ago. been using him for over six years.