Kidney friendly steroid cycle? Also Crohn's disease.

[nidalee1]

Longish story here, after bulking up on an insane amount of calories, late last year I was able to get to around 220 pounds.. needless to say I was eating upwards to 5000 calories a day.. i was always asking my friends who were around the same weight as me how many calories they needed to bulk, because I just couldn't put on weight for the life of me, and they always needed like half the amount of calories I needed, and they were gaining weight, i was eating like 5k calories a day and barely keeping my weight, near the end of my bulk i started going to the bathroom with tons of blood.. and was crapping so much everyday, no foods seemed to sit well with me, at the same time or a bit earlier, my pee started getting dark no matter how hydrated i was staying, and now when i pee, it's all bubbles, and disgusting looking, so i thought kidney disease, because my gfr was up and down, same with creatinine.

Finally decided to get everything checked out, first was the blood, got a colonscopy and got diagnosed with crohn's disease (at this time i stopped cycling), thought my life was over seeing as all i liked doing was the gym and this disease is literally the worst possible thing you could ever get for gym, not being able to digest food, etc..

Then on to the neprologist, since my gfr was down to 65 at one point, at this time i got bloods for my nephrologist, and my gfr was back up to 90, this was after stopping cycles, and i stopped working out for a few months in between finding out what was wrong with me.. my first trip to the neprologist there was slight proteinuria in my urine, but only like 0.5 above normal range and he said it's nothing to worry about, my gfr was up to 95, i started back at the gym and now he made me get bloods again to make sure, and now my gfr is down to 78 again with creatinine on the higher end of normal range, my urine is still disgusting and i have an apt with him soon, and somehow with my urine being more gross looking, my proteinuria is slightly down from the previous so i'm guessing he's not going to say much is wrong with my kidneys, even though I'm pretty sure I know there is, i just can tell by the way i'm peeing, there's not much other reasoning for that, so basically crohns and this has been going on lately for me.

With crohns i'm guessing the whole bulking phase is over for me, i am a hard gainer in general, but i'm thinking of just staying lean year round and keeping a perfect diet seeing as i'm forced to now, i recently started prednisone and am going to start humira soon, i'm going to start doing milder cycles in case something is wrong with my kidneys, was never that big a fan of dbol or anadrol but i did enjoy running those for the huge weight increase, and lift increase, but at that point it's obvious you're on gear and you lose most of it when you stop, for the chance of it raising your BP and BP being a key factor in kidney disease, i decided against those from now on.

Can anybody tell me which cycles would be least harsh on kidney's in general, and good for just straight lean gains? I never got crazy cycling but have been cycling for 5 years, craziest was probably my bulk to 220 last cycle and it was around 600mg test/400mg tren/ and 100 mg anadrol, i gained a decent amount of weight until my crohn's or whatever got really bad

I honestly wish i never found out i had crohn's, it's like a slap to the face seeing as nobody with a good physique has crohn's disease, i'm guessing it severely limits to what you can achieve, but i always have been pretty lean, so i'm guessing just staying lean and not bulking crazely will help a lot.

I'm still going to do two cycles a year, winter/summer, but i want to limit the harsher compounds (not sure which are the worst) on my kidneys and body in general i guess now. Also was going to save tren for summer instead of running it winter/summer for both, i know tren is pretty harsh as well.

Thing is, what is a decent bulker (i know it's diet mostly) which is good for just lean gains and not blowing up? Dbol and anadrol are not going to be for me as much as i love how they make me feel, i just don't want to risk having a kidney problem and it raising BP and making them worse.

I'm thinking maybe 500mg/test, some EQ and some kind of oral steroid, not sure how any of the less harsh orals are on your kidneys, like anavar/winstrol, but something along those lines, i still want to gain weight, it's just much harder now

I've been looking at a lot of the physqieue guys diets, and they most be the easiest to follow ever, it's literally just 7 ounces of meet with some carbs and greens a meal, every meal, was thinking of doing that, but it only seems like 2k calories so i'm not sure what will happen to my physique if i follow just a straight clean diet like they do, it's just very little calories. This being said, i still look good now, been running hrt dosage of test ever since, and i'm still lowish body fat, around 183 pounds now only, since i lost a lot due to this crohn's shit. But i'm still decently happy with how i look thus far. thought i'd be a lot less with just running hrt dose by now, but i guess 183 is as low as i'l get. my goal i'd say if it's even possible now, since i can't bulk up, i always wanted to be like 250 pounds, but rather be safer after finding out about these problems, and weigh around 200 pounds with lower bodyfat, as an end goal.

any help is appreciated.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Longish story here, after bulking up on an insane amount of calories, late last year I was able to get to around 220 pounds.. needless to say I was eating upwards to 5000 calories a day.. i was always asking my friends who were around the same weight as me how many calories they needed to bulk, because I just couldn't put on weight for the life of me, and they always needed like half the amount of calories I needed, and they were gaining weight, i was eating like 5k calories a day and barely keeping my weight, near the end of my bulk i started going to the bathroom with tons of blood.. and was crapping so much everyday, no foods seemed to sit well with me, at the same time or a bit earlier, my pee started getting dark no matter how hydrated i was staying, and now when i pee, it's all bubbles, and disgusting looking, so i thought kidney disease, because my gfr was up and down, same with creatinine.

Finally decided to get everything checked out, first was the blood, got a colonscopy and got diagnosed with crohn's disease (at this time i stopped cycling), thought my life was over seeing as all i liked doing was the gym and this disease is literally the worst possible thing you could ever get for gym, not being able to digest food, etc..

Then on to the neprologist, since my gfr was down to 65 at one point, at this time i got bloods for my nephrologist, and my gfr was back up to 90, this was after stopping cycles, and i stopped working out for a few months in between finding out what was wrong with me.. my first trip to the neprologist there was slight proteinuria in my urine, but only like 0.5 above normal range and he said it's nothing to worry about, my gfr was up to 95, i started back at the gym and now he made me get bloods again to make sure, and now my gfr is down to 78 again with creatinine on the higher end of normal range, my urine is still disgusting and i have an apt with him soon, and somehow with my urine being more gross looking, my proteinuria is slightly down from the previous so i'm guessing he's not going to say much is wrong with my kidneys, even though I'm pretty sure I know there is, i just can tell by the way i'm peeing, there's not much other reasoning for that, so basically crohns and this has been going on lately for me.

With crohns i'm guessing the whole bulking phase is over for me, i am a hard gainer in general, but i'm thinking of just staying lean year round and keeping a perfect diet seeing as i'm forced to now, i recently started prednisone and am going to start humira soon, i'm going to start doing milder cycles in case something is wrong with my kidneys, was never that big a fan of dbol or anadrol but i did enjoy running those for the huge weight increase, and lift increase, but at that point it's obvious you're on gear and you lose most of it when you stop, for the chance of it raising your BP and BP being a key factor in kidney disease, i decided against those from now on.

Can anybody tell me which cycles would be least harsh on kidney's in general, and good for just straight lean gains? I never got crazy cycling but have been cycling for 5 years, craziest was probably my bulk to 220 last cycle and it was around 600mg test/400mg tren/ and 100 mg anadrol, i gained a decent amount of weight until my crohn's or whatever got really bad

I honestly wish i never found out i had crohn's, it's like a slap to the face seeing as nobody with a good physique has crohn's disease, i'm guessing it severely limits to what you can achieve, but i always have been pretty lean, so i'm guessing just staying lean and not bulking crazely will help a lot.

I'm still going to do two cycles a year, winter/summer, but i want to limit the harsher compounds (not sure which are the worst) on my kidneys and body in general i guess now. Also was going to save tren for summer instead of running it winter/summer for both, i know tren is pretty harsh as well.

Thing is, what is a decent bulker (i know it's diet mostly) which is good for just lean gains and not blowing up? Dbol and anadrol are not going to be for me as much as i love how they make me feel, i just don't want to risk having a kidney problem and it raising BP and making them worse.

I'm thinking maybe 500mg/test, some EQ and some kind of oral steroid, not sure how any of the less harsh orals are on your kidneys, like anavar/winstrol, but something along those lines, i still want to gain weight, it's just much harder now

I've been looking at a lot of the physqieue guys diets, and they most be the easiest to follow ever, it's literally just 7 ounces of meet with some carbs and greens a meal, every meal, was thinking of doing that, but it only seems like 2k calories so i'm not sure what will happen to my physique if i follow just a straight clean diet like they do, it's just very little calories. This being said, i still look good now, been running hrt dosage of test ever since, and i'm still lowish body fat, around 183 pounds now only, since i lost a lot due to this crohn's shit. But i'm still decently happy with how i look thus far. thought i'd be a lot less with just running hrt dose by now, but i guess 183 is as low as i'l get. my goal i'd say if it's even possible now, since i can't bulk up, i always wanted to be like 250 pounds, but rather be safer after finding out about these problems, and weigh around 200 pounds with lower bodyfat, as an end goal.

any help is appreciated.

The biggest thing is to just be as safe as you can.

I'd steer away from the EQ, that thick blood cant be great for the kidneys.

Also stay away from Orals,
I start having kidney stress while running orals.. (IE pee is always yellow, even when I'm hydrated)

I'm actually.jumping on some pedialyte tonight, see if that helps.

Maybe just try boosting the test?
If anything.

Obviously your health is number 1

 

[amtont]

Longish story here, after bulking up on an insane amount of calories, late last year I was able to get to around 220 pounds.. needless to say I was eating upwards to 5000 calories a day.. i was always asking my friends who were around the same weight as me how many calories they needed to bulk, because I just couldn't put on weight for the life of me, and they always needed like half the amount of calories I needed, and they were gaining weight, i was eating like 5k calories a day and barely keeping my weight, near the end of my bulk i started going to the bathroom with tons of blood.. and was crapping so much everyday, no foods seemed to sit well with me, at the same time or a bit earlier, my pee started getting dark no matter how hydrated i was staying, and now when i pee, it's all bubbles, and disgusting looking, so i thought kidney disease, because my gfr was up and down, same with creatinine.

Finally decided to get everything checked out, first was the blood, got a colonscopy and got diagnosed with crohn's disease (at this time i stopped cycling), thought my life was over seeing as all i liked doing was the gym and this disease is literally the worst possible thing you could ever get for gym, not being able to digest food, etc..

Then on to the neprologist, since my gfr was down to 65 at one point, at this time i got bloods for my nephrologist, and my gfr was back up to 90, this was after stopping cycles, and i stopped working out for a few months in between finding out what was wrong with me.. my first trip to the neprologist there was slight proteinuria in my urine, but only like 0.5 above normal range and he said it's nothing to worry about, my gfr was up to 95, i started back at the gym and now he made me get bloods again to make sure, and now my gfr is down to 78 again with creatinine on the higher end of normal range, my urine is still disgusting and i have an apt with him soon, and somehow with my urine being more gross looking, my proteinuria is slightly down from the previous so i'm guessing he's not going to say much is wrong with my kidneys, even though I'm pretty sure I know there is, i just can tell by the way i'm peeing, there's not much other reasoning for that, so basically crohns and this has been going on lately for me.

With crohns i'm guessing the whole bulking phase is over for me, i am a hard gainer in general, but i'm thinking of just staying lean year round and keeping a perfect diet seeing as i'm forced to now, i recently started prednisone and am going to start humira soon, i'm going to start doing milder cycles in case something is wrong with my kidneys, was never that big a fan of dbol or anadrol but i did enjoy running those for the huge weight increase, and lift increase, but at that point it's obvious you're on gear and you lose most of it when you stop, for the chance of it raising your BP and BP being a key factor in kidney disease, i decided against those from now on.

Can anybody tell me which cycles would be least harsh on kidney's in general, and good for just straight lean gains? I never got crazy cycling but have been cycling for 5 years, craziest was probably my bulk to 220 last cycle and it was around 600mg test/400mg tren/ and 100 mg anadrol, i gained a decent amount of weight until my crohn's or whatever got really bad

I honestly wish i never found out i had crohn's, it's like a slap to the face seeing as nobody with a good physique has crohn's disease, i'm guessing it severely limits to what you can achieve, but i always have been pretty lean, so i'm guessing just staying lean and not bulking crazely will help a lot.

I'm still going to do two cycles a year, winter/summer, but i want to limit the harsher compounds (not sure which are the worst) on my kidneys and body in general i guess now. Also was going to save tren for summer instead of running it winter/summer for both, i know tren is pretty harsh as well.

Thing is, what is a decent bulker (i know it's diet mostly) which is good for just lean gains and not blowing up? Dbol and anadrol are not going to be for me as much as i love how they make me feel, i just don't want to risk having a kidney problem and it raising BP and making them worse.

I'm thinking maybe 500mg/test, some EQ and some kind of oral steroid, not sure how any of the less harsh orals are on your kidneys, like anavar/winstrol, but something along those lines, i still want to gain weight, it's just much harder now

I've been looking at a lot of the physqieue guys diets, and they most be the easiest to follow ever, it's literally just 7 ounces of meet with some carbs and greens a meal, every meal, was thinking of doing that, but it only seems like 2k calories so i'm not sure what will happen to my physique if i follow just a straight clean diet like they do, it's just very little calories. This being said, i still look good now, been running hrt dosage of test ever since, and i'm still lowish body fat, around 183 pounds now only, since i lost a lot due to this crohn's shit. But i'm still decently happy with how i look thus far. thought i'd be a lot less with just running hrt dose by now, but i guess 183 is as low as i'l get. my goal i'd say if it's even possible now, since i can't bulk up, i always wanted to be like 250 pounds, but rather be safer after finding out about these problems, and weigh around 200 pounds with lower bodyfat, as an end goal.

any help is appreciated.

Hey really sorry to hear you have Crohns. I have had severe Crohns for 8 years. When I was diagnosed I went from 235 lbs. at 6'4'' all the way down to 160 lbs. I am now at around 215 lbs.

Mine was really bad and ended up on a feeding tube and liquid nutrition so hopefully that doesn't happen to you.

My main advice would be to find the best medical care you can and treat it as aggressively as possible in the beginning. The longer it goes on the harder it becomes to treat so if possible I would try to find a doctor who really specializes in Crohn's if possible depending on where you live.

It is still possible to gain muscle but you just have to be much more careful with regards to food choices and doing a lean bulk is probably a good idea. My doctor recommended eating a lot of eggs, grilled chicken, rice etc. A lot of it is personal toleration. Once your Crohns is treated effectively you may be able to tolerate more food. Frequent smaller meals is generally easier on digestion.

Prednisone is essentially the opposite of AAS as it is very catabolic, weakens and atrophies muscle fibers, weakens tendons and bones and reduces insulin sensitivity.

For your cycle I would probably recommend test, anavar and deca are used most commonly in patients with autoimmune diseases to prevent muscle wasting. Much of it is personal tolerance to if it aggravates you Crohns or not so you might want to start lower and increase as you go along. Injectables will tend to be easier on the gi system.

If you have more questions feel free to ask and I will try to help. I work in gastroenterology. Sorry if the post was too long or too much info I just wanted to try to help you if I could because I know from experience how much it sucks.

Let me know if you have any other questions or I can help in any way

 

[nidalee1]

Hey really sorry to hear you have Crohns. I have had severe Crohns for 8 years. When I was diagnosed I went from 235 lbs. at 6'4'' all the way down to 160 lbs. I am now at around 215 lbs.

Mine was really bad and ended up on a feeding tube and liquid nutrition so hopefully that doesn't happen to you.

My main advice would be to find the best medical care you can and treat it as aggressively as possible in the beginning. The longer it goes on the harder it becomes to treat so if possible I would try to find a doctor who really specializes in Crohn's if possible depending on where you live.

It is still possible to gain muscle but you just have to be much more careful with regards to food choices and doing a lean bulk is probably a good idea. My doctor recommended eating a lot of eggs, grilled chicken, rice etc. A lot of it is personal toleration. Once your Crohns is treated effectively you may be able to tolerate more food. Frequent smaller meals is generally easier on digestion.

Prednisone is essentially the opposite of AAS as it is very catabolic, weakens and atrophies muscle fibers, weakens tendons and bones and reduces insulin sensitivity.

For your cycle I would probably recommend test, anavar and deca are used most commonly in patients with autoimmune diseases to prevent muscle wasting. Much of it is personal tolerance to if it aggravates you Crohns or not so you might want to start lower and increase as you go along. Injectables will tend to be easier on the gi system.

If you have more questions feel free to ask and I will try to help. I work in gastroenterology. Sorry if the post was too long or too much info I just wanted to try to help you if I could because I know from experience how much it sucks.

Let me know if you have any other questions or I can help in any way

Thank you, not sure how long I've had it, I remember blood in the toilet like 5 years ago but it went away until recently.. I'm trying the aggressive approach, we pretty much used anything wrong with my blood work at all to fail each trial of the beginner drugs in order to reach humira which I started just last week, which drug ended up helping with yours? Doctor told me it's one of the best drugs. Just been stressed lately, before when I had an upset stomach from some foods I just assumed it was the food, not everything that goes wrong I automatically assume crohns, and get even more depressed. Which diet do you follow? I've noticed if I have to much fibre that's what triggers the bathroom visits (obviously) but seems worse with crohns now. I'm sorry to hear about yours as well, I see people end up with these bags and if it ever came down to that I would probably kms, I'm glad you were able to gain your weight back, at least I have an answer as to why I wasn't gaining on such a high calorie intake now. I'm guessing staying lean is one of my only options.

 

[nidalee1]

I guess I can use this as an excuse to always keep a solid diet now without cheats and such. That being said, a question for you, how do you know when your foods actually being digested?months ago when the flare was bad I realized no food was actually probably being digested, so if your poop is normal looking and solid, is that a good sign that you've been digesting most food? Eating all your calories and than crapping it out liquid was the most depressing thing of life. I know I shouldn't be this down, my oldest brother has severe crohns as well and can't even walk really, has lots of complications and can't even go on meds because of infections.. etc.

 

[amtont]

Thank you, not sure how long I've had it, I remember blood in the toilet like 5 years ago but it went away until recently.. I'm trying the aggressive approach, we pretty much used anything wrong with my blood work at all to fail each trial of the beginner drugs in order to reach humira which I started just last week, which drug ended up helping with yours? Doctor told me it's one of the best drugs. Just been stressed lately, before when I had an upset stomach from some foods I just assumed it was the food, not everything that goes wrong I automatically assume crohns, and get even more depressed. Which diet do you follow? I've noticed if I have to much fibre that's what triggers the bathroom visits (obviously) but seems worse with crohns now. I'm sorry to hear about yours as well, I see people end up with these bags and if it ever came down to that I would probably kms, I'm glad you were able to gain your weight back, at least I have an answer as to why I wasn't gaining on such a high calorie intake now. I'm guessing staying lean is one of my only options.

For me Remicade was what ended up helping. Humira did nothing for me but hopefully it works for you. If the initial dose doesn't work you can increase the shot frequency or add another drug such as azathioprine or methotrexate to make it more effective.

For diet I mainly eat a lot of chicken, rice, white fish, potatoes, eggs etc.

https://www.webmd.com/ibd-crohns-disease/crohns-disease/creating-a-crohns-disease-diet-plan#1

This link has foods to avoid and what you should eat. The low residue diet they are talking about is very low fiber and it definitely works.

Yeah that will tell you if you're digesting foods. Honestly one of the hardest parts is actually talking about it because its not the type of thing that you normally talk about if you know what I mean. I would suggest to just be as honest as possible with your doctor if things aren't going well because at first I was afraid to discuss it or thought it was weird so I would try to downplay it but just be brutally honest so you can get it fixed.

No I completely understand where you're coming from. It's depressing as fuck honestly. I played college ball and then 2 years after I graduated I got Crohns and was a skeleton so I was like what the fuck happened to me. I feel like sometimes its good to talk to other people who have Crohns and lift or play sports because they can understand where you're coming from. Sometimes doctors or people will try to give you some bullshit pep talks or stuff but they haven't really walked in your shoes if that makes sense. One thing I did for motivation was just to find there are players in the NBA and NFL who have had Crohns so it can be done you just have to get it controlled with medication and be super strict with your diet.

Larry Nance for the Cavs in the NBA 6'7'' 240 lbs NBA Dunk Contest

and David Gerrard NFL QB for Jaguars 6'2'' 240 lbs are two I read about

There are a couple bodybuilders as well. I will try to find the articles

I read some articles by them about how they structured their diet and training

Sorry if I missed any questions feel free to ask any others you might have and I will do my best to help

 

[Bluewhistle]

What did u mean by your pee is gross looking? I thought i had kidney issues about 2 years ago and had the bubbles, but weird looking? Went to the nephrologist and he did the other test cystatin c or something? Turns out i was fine, no protein in urine, i just have bubbly pee.

 

[nidalee1]

What did u mean by your pee is gross looking? I thought i had kidney issues about 2 years ago and had the bubbles, but weird looking? Went to the nephrologist and he did the other test cystatin c or something? Turns out i was fine, no protein in urine, i just have bubbly pee.

Just the consistency of it, it started dark, than darker, and than bubbles, it just seems more thicker, like an oil or syrup sometimes, i did a few urine tests (I'll post bloodwork actually) hard to tell which is which anymore, the proteinuria is down from last time, and last time he said it was nothing to worry about, my gfr literally goes by how hard i workout at the gym, if i stop working out it seems to go back up to like 90ish.

 

[nidalee1]

sorry this is quite a bit of bloodwork my nephologist ordered, literally everything, i'm guessing the low iron is from the bleeding again, while going to the bathroom, so not sure what he will say about that, the stressed liver is probably from methotextrate.. i was on it when i had these done. going to wait till things normalize before a cycle, obviousoly.

Not sure what the globulin protein things are, but i when i search it says high levels can be from a gastro disease being active, or something. funny my nephrologist tests for everything after the first bloods didn't show much, my gastro doctor only tests for like 6 things. it's just hard to see which is affecting what anymore.

I know most out of range things is from crohn's, my doctors told me the bleeding causes low iron/ferritin/high platelets, etc, and some other things that have been out of range for quite a while.

 

[GarlicChicken]

Bioidentical hormones. Test and GH in moderate doses. Keep your water retention down as much as possible without taking diuretics. Keep blood pressure at the low end of good. Vasodilators are your friend, they improve kidney function by means of increased blood flow and blood pressure reduction. Don't use creatine. Keep protein intake no more than 1.5g per pound of lean mass (need a bodpod or dexa to know how much fat free mass you have), you really don't need more to grow.

If you need kidney support supplementation, there is a regimen that will improve eGFR and overall function. Brought my fiancee's eGFR up by 20 points the first month and reversed all symptoms of kidney disease to the point where she can lift and eat a decent amount of protein without getting sick or her eGFR going down. I'll post it in a separate post here

 

[GarlicChicken]

Some of this information came from Dante Trudel and some I pieced together from reading studies. Copy/paste from my original thread on another forum. Avoid NOW brand, they're selling bunk astragalus and who knows what else since that's such a cheap product. I'm 100% sure of that because it's not even close to the same product as the Vitamin Shoppe brand, which is known to be good. I'm also putting the cheapest places to get quality of the specific ones

Supplements (all taken with food):

AM:
4g Astragalus (Vitamin shoppe brand)
100mg Pycogenol (Costco)
800mg Grapeseed extract (Zazee Amazon)

Noon:
100mg Ubiquinol coq10 (Costco)
180mg Vitamin E
50mg P-5-P
500mg Vitamin C

PM:
4g Astragalus
100mg Pycogenol
800mg Grapeseed extract
500mg Vitamin C

2iu rHGH before bed

A little breakdown of these ingredients and what they do

Astragalus: The numero uno of kidney restoration. Other than improving blood flow to the kidneys, it's effects are not known as to why it increases kidney function (as far as I've seen). It simply works. The Vitamin shoppe brand is the best it seems, the NOW brand was completely bunk and didn't even look and smell the same, and didn't work at all.

P-5-P: Number 2. P-5-P works to improve kidney function by significantly reducing the formation of advanced glycation end-products (AGEs). AGEs must be cleared by the kidneys and excreted in urine, and the worse the kidneys function, the more they build in plasma levels and the more they are produced, creating a negative feedback loop. AGEs are also key factors in the changes in kidney tissues that are attributed to CKD. A better option, if it can be acquired, is pyridoxamine, a B6 derivative that has been label a "drug" by the FDA because it was registered as such by a private pharmaceutical firm. Good luck getting it prescribed, although it's the most effective treatment for CKD!

Grapeseed/trans-resveratrol: A powerful antioxidant that decreases oxidative inflammation and subsequent damage to the kidneys. Oxidative stress and inflammation is another key factor in kidney disease.

Pycogenol: Another powerful antioxidant

Vitamin E: Antioxidant and also reduces AGE formation

Vitamin C: Antioxidant, reduces AGEs, has some other effect that I can't remember.

HGH: Apparently had something to do with this, looks like it increases eGFR and renal plasma throughput, as well as raising albumin levels to healthy amounts in those with impaired renal function.

There's way more info to it than that, but I'm driving and it's all I can remember off the top of my head.

 

[Havah]

There is no aas cycle that will be friendly on the kidneys with bb's dosage (i.e not at the doses given to prevent muscle wasting which are much lower)

None

Anyone telling you otherwise is deluded

 

[nidalee1]

There is no aas cycle that will be friendly on the kidneys with bb's dosage (i.e not at the doses given to prevent muscle wasting which are much lower)

None

Anyone telling you otherwise is deluded

Oh absolutely not, that's like saying drugs don't have side effects, but there's a big difference between taking Tylenol, and taking prednisone, some are much safer than others. Drugs that raise BP/add water weight are much more harsh, etc. So what I'm saying Is, test in general would be much more friendly than let's say, tren stacked with anadrol.

 

[nidalee1]

Some of this information came from Dante Trudel and some I pieced together from reading studies. Copy/paste from my original thread on another forum. Avoid NOW brand, they're selling bunk astragalus and who knows what else since that's such a cheap product. I'm 100% sure of that because it's not even close to the same product as the Vitamin Shoppe brand, which is known to be good. I'm also putting the cheapest places to get quality of the specific ones

Supplements (all taken with food):

AM:
4g Astragalus (Vitamin shoppe brand)
100mg Pycogenol (Costco)
800mg Grapeseed extract (Zazee Amazon)

Noon:
100mg Ubiquinol coq10 (Costco)
180mg Vitamin E
50mg P-5-P
500mg Vitamin C

PM:
4g Astragalus
100mg Pycogenol
800mg Grapeseed extract
500mg Vitamin C

2iu rHGH before bed

A little breakdown of these ingredients and what they do

Astragalus: The numero uno of kidney restoration. Other than improving blood flow to the kidneys, it's effects are not known as to why it increases kidney function (as far as I've seen). It simply works. The Vitamin shoppe brand is the best it seems, the NOW brand was completely bunk and didn't even look and smell the same, and didn't work at all.

P-5-P: Number 2. P-5-P works to improve kidney function by significantly reducing the formation of advanced glycation end-products (AGEs). AGEs must be cleared by the kidneys and excreted in urine, and the worse the kidneys function, the more they build in plasma levels and the more they are produced, creating a negative feedback loop. AGEs are also key factors in the changes in kidney tissues that are attributed to CKD. A better option, if it can be acquired, is pyridoxamine, a B6 derivative that has been label a "drug" by the FDA because it was registered as such by a private pharmaceutical firm. Good luck getting it prescribed, although it's the most effective treatment for CKD!

Grapeseed/trans-resveratrol: A powerful antioxidant that decreases oxidative inflammation and subsequent damage to the kidneys. Oxidative stress and inflammation is another key factor in kidney disease.

Pycogenol: Another powerful antioxidant

Vitamin E: Antioxidant and also reduces AGE formation

Vitamin C: Antioxidant, reduces AGEs, has some other effect that I can't remember.

HGH: Apparently had something to do with this, looks like it increases eGFR and renal plasma throughput, as well as raising albumin levels to healthy amounts in those with impaired renal function.

There's way more info to it than that, but I'm driving and it's all I can remember off the top of my head.

Thank you for this!

 

[GarlicChicken]

Thank you for this!

Of course. It's worked wonders for my fiancee, and I know there's a lot of bodybuilders out there that need it. It works, hands down

 

[Bluewhistle]

Astragalus: The numero uno of kidney restoration. Other than improving blood flow to the kidneys, it's effects are not known as to why it increases kidney function (as far as I've seen). It simply works. The Vitamin shoppe brand is the best it seems, the NOW brand was completely bunk and didn't even look and smell the same, and didn't work at all.

I am so glad I found out about dante trudel and follow him. Just a wealth of information. Can vouch for vitaminshoppe astragalus. Been taking it for little over a year and my egfr has seen improvement.

 

[agathocles]

Some of this information came from Dante Trudel and some I pieced together from reading studies. Copy/paste from my original thread on another forum. Avoid NOW brand, they're selling bunk astragalus and who knows what else since that's such a cheap product. I'm 100% sure of that because it's not even close to the same product as the Vitamin Shoppe brand, which is known to be good. I'm also putting the cheapest places to get quality of the specific ones

Supplements (all taken with food):

AM:
4g Astragalus (Vitamin shoppe brand)
100mg Pycogenol (Costco)
800mg Grapeseed extract (Zazee Amazon)

Noon:
100mg Ubiquinol coq10 (Costco)
180mg Vitamin E
50mg P-5-P
500mg Vitamin C

PM:
4g Astragalus
100mg Pycogenol
800mg Grapeseed extract
500mg Vitamin C

2iu rHGH before bed

A little breakdown of these ingredients and what they do

Astragalus: The numero uno of kidney restoration. Other than improving blood flow to the kidneys, it's effects are not known as to why it increases kidney function (as far as I've seen). It simply works. The Vitamin shoppe brand is the best it seems, the NOW brand was completely bunk and didn't even look and smell the same, and didn't work at all.

P-5-P: Number 2. P-5-P works to improve kidney function by significantly reducing the formation of advanced glycation end-products (AGEs). AGEs must be cleared by the kidneys and excreted in urine, and the worse the kidneys function, the more they build in plasma levels and the more they are produced, creating a negative feedback loop. AGEs are also key factors in the changes in kidney tissues that are attributed to CKD. A better option, if it can be acquired, is pyridoxamine, a B6 derivative that has been label a "drug" by the FDA because it was registered as such by a private pharmaceutical firm. Good luck getting it prescribed, although it's the most effective treatment for CKD!

Виноградные косточки/транс-ресвератрол: мощный антиоксидант, уменьшающий окислительное воспаление и последующее повреждение почек. Окислительный стресс и воспаление являются еще одним ключевым фактором заболевания почек.

Пикогенол: еще один мощный антиоксидант

Витамин Е: антиоксидант, а также снижает образование КПГ.

Витамин С: антиоксидант, снижает КПГ, имеет какой-то другой эффект, который я не могу вспомнить.

Гормон роста: по-видимому, имеет какое-то отношение к этому, похоже, что он увеличивает рСКФ и пропускную способность почечной плазмы, а также повышает уровень альбумина до здорового уровня у людей с нарушением функции почек.

Там гораздо больше информации, чем это, но я за рулем, и это все, что я могу вспомнить навскидку.

Очень интересная информация. Спасибо

 

[connoristiny]

I am so glad I found out about dante trudel and follow him. Just a wealth of information. Can vouch for vitaminshoppe astragalus. Been taking it for little over a year and my egfr has seen improvement.

What platform do u follow dante on? Haven't seen him on youtube at all.