Lab Results (Jano): Amino Asylum Trest Decanoate, Predator Nutrition Olympus Labs Epistane

[ChemBB]

Had these tests done by Jano recently, sharing here in case anyone finds them useful.

Note that the Epistane results show only DMT present, but upon researching, it seems that the episulfide ring is prone to thermal decomposition, yielding DMT when cleaved.

A DEA test report corroborates this -- it seems that you need to use HP/LC to accurately test Epi, as the temperature in GC/MS injector port columns is too high:
See PDF here: https://www.swgdrug.org/Monographs/Methylepitiostanol.pdf

Note in bold red font on page 2: "Methylepitiostanol breaksdown on GC-FID and GC/MS"
Only the NMR and FTIR were able to give accurate analyses.

It was suggested to me that I could perform a basic sulfur test, using Wet Digestion + Barium Precipitation, using Barium Chloride.
If there is _any_ amount of sulfur-containing molecule present, it will precipitate out. I don't care enough to do this, since I'm nearly certain it's Epistane.

(Name, Test #, QR code redacted due to client name. If you doubt the authenticity of these, ping Jano, he knows me personally.)

 

[Photon]

Had these tests done by Jano recently, sharing here in case anyone finds them useful.

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FWIW, my Trest D came back at 120 at AB.
Might be the last time we see Trest Decanoate

 

[ChemBB]

FWIW, my Trest D came back at 120 at AB.
Might be the last time we see Trest Decanoate

It's been so incredibly difficult to source long-ester Trest. I don't know why.

Producing one ester is no more difficult than another, and I can't imagine that everyone wants lower-concentration, shorter esters -- so I am baffled.

I had Trest E that I ran out of, and only got 2 vials of AA's Trest D =(

Have some ~5 or so 50mg Trest Ace from HYB but that's so much oil to pin and I don't want to pin ED/E2D...

 

[Photon]

It's been so incredibly difficult to source long-ester Trest. I don't know why.

Producing one ester is no more difficult than another, and I can't imagine that everyone wants lower-concentration, shorter esters -- so I am baffled.

I had Trest E that I ran out of, and only got 2 vials of AA's Trest D =(

Have some ~5 or so 50mg Trest Ace from HYB but that's so much oil to pin and I don't want to pin ED/E2D...

Expensive, low demand.
There's 100mg/ml Trest A but that's probably underdosed.

 

[janoshik]

Note that the Epistane results show only DMT present, but upon researching, it seems that the episulfide ring is prone to thermal decomposition, yielding DMT when cleaved.

It also degrades into that with age, so it's not the test issue

Cheers

 

[ChemBB]

> It also degrades into that with age

Right -- put another way, I don't think that Olympus Labs purposefully put DMT in the caps. I'd be willing to bet that the capsules contained Epistane at the time they were manufactured, rather than the company trying to intentionally pass off DMT as Epi

Who knows though?

 

[janoshik]

> It also degrades into that with age

Right -- put another way, I don't think that Olympus Labs purposefully put DMT in the caps. I'd be willing to bet that the capsules contained Epistane at the time they were manufactured, rather than the company trying to intentionally pass off DMT as Epi

Who knows though?

Yeah, I think so too, given DMT is not even commercially available AFAIK

Cheers

 

[Oswizzle]

Yeah, I think so too, given DMT is not even commercially available AFAIK

Cheers

I’ve looked all over for the last few years for Madol/DMT … none of the places in China make it anymore … to make it cost the same as a kilo of AAA Blow

 

[facinghardships]

Thanks for posting this! I always thought the "epi degrades into DMT" was a myth. I just got some RPN Havoc in from PN. Excited to try it out. It'll be my first time running it.

 

[Whistles77]

Now i wonder what to do with my unopened bottles of 2016 IBE/Predator Nutrition Epistane. Seems i should assume its 100% DMT by now.

 

[ChemBB]

Now i wonder what to do with my unopened bottles of 2016 IBE/Predator Nutrition Epistane. Seems i should assume its 100% DMT by now.

I'm probably going to just run mine anyways

 

[Whistles77]

I'm probably going to just run mine anyways

What did you end up doing with the Olympus "epistane"/DMT?

I'd forgotten about this thread and found my bottles again. Apparently my fishbowl memory is about 3 months as i searched to find any recommendations of what to do with old epistane and found this again.

 

[ChemBB]

What did you end up doing with the Olympus "epistane"/DMT?

I'd forgotten about this thread and found my bottles again. Apparently my fishbowl memory is about 3 months as i searched to find any recommendations of what to do with old epistane and found this again.

Im still gonna use it eventually lol. DMT is a great compound that's hard to source

It's sitting in my cabinet

 

[IndividualMan]

Desoxymethyltest was avaliable from QSC at request, a few years back (23/early 24) as far as i remember. also not too expensive per gram, but high MOQ.