Labmax testing "purity"

[Wunderpus]

This is a request or question for the brewers out there-

It's largely debated whether or not labmax can "measure" the concentration or strength of a particular hormone. Some argue "Why, yes of course it does, brighter the glow, stronger the concentration." Where others argue otherwise, and some discount labmax exclusively.

Would any brewers be willing to make a small amount of properly dosed gear, 1/2 dosed gear and very LIGHTLY dosed gear and labmax all 3? It would be the same raws, oil, etc. and might really help clear up some issues (literally you would need less than 1/4ML of each).

Another test would be to use the same raws (and ideally these are raws that have been tested by bloods or something like fina pellets) and use a few different carrier oils, to potentially debunk the myth regarding carrier oils and labmax glow.

If this is stupid or unnecessary let me know, please input your thoughts.

 

[RThoads]

that is a simple but awesome idea! that would yield a standardization for LabMax results as a function of known concentration.

I know for myself, once my test cyp gets here I am going to do a LM on it AND a LM on my Watson script from walgreens as a standard to eliminate debates regarding the UV light source strength.

 

[Wunderpus]

that is a simple but awesome idea! that would yield a standardization for LabMax results and a function of known concentration.

I know for myself, once my test cyp gets here I am going to do a LM on it AND a LM on my Watson script from walgreens as a standard to eliminate debates regarding the UV light source strength.

I have compared Watson cyp. and fina tren to UGL's and the glow is almost ALWAYS way more intense from the pharma and fina. Shocking? Not to me.

I'm not a chemist, but it does seem sort of intuitive to assume the more of the ingredient necessary for a reaction, the stronger the reaction, to a point, right?

Add a pinch of baking soda to a gallon of vinegar, not much. Add a box of baking soda and BOOM!

 

[Docd187123]

I'd be willing to send some stuff I've brewed but not wasting my money on labmax. According to their own site, their tests do not test for purity so anyone who claims they do is either shilling or smoking some good good

 

[Wunderpus]

I'd be willing to send some stuff I've brewed but not wasting my money on labmax. According to their own site, their tests do not test for purity so anyone who claims they do is either shilling or smoking some good good

I think that's a "cover our ass" statement to some degree. I really do believe there has to be an explanation for why good tren glows like kryptonite and shit tren hardly glows at all. There's something to it.

In a colorimetric test that reads levels, it would have to change colors according to the strength, and they would have to provide a comparison for each color. Now, if it just changes one color, much easier, positive or negative. If my theory is correct, meaning the glow strength does allude to the concentration to some degree, we would need far more complex equipment to test that. Might as well mass spec at that point.

I think a basic test of 1 properly dosed, 1 half and one barely dosed would be helpful enough to get an idea.

 

[Docd187123]

I think that's a "cover our ass" statement to some degree. I really do believe there has to be an explanation for why good tren glows like kryptonite and shit tren hardly glows at all. There's something to it.

Could be the carrier oil. When LE does reagent testing on the spot there's no difference in the brightness of the reaction whether the coke for example is somewhat pure or stepped on 10x.

 

[Wunderpus]

Could be the carrier oil. When LE does reagent testing on the spot there's no difference in the brightness of the reaction whether the coke for example is somewhat pure or stepped on 10x.

That's the reason for wanting to test gear at the same known dosage, in a few different oils. CSO, GSO, MCT, soybean maybe? etc.

 

[Docd187123]

That's the reason for wanting to test gear at the same known dosage, in a few different oils. CSO, GSO, MCT, soybean maybe? etc.

All mine is done in GSO.

 

[Wunderpus]

All mine is done in GSO.

Which I believe is most common. That would be good for testing the dosing. You could just dilute your brews by 50% and the other by about 95% and send over like 1/4 ml of each?

 

[Docd187123]

Which I believe is most common. That would be good for testing the dosing. You could just dilute your brews by 50% and the other by about 95% and send over like 1/4 ml of each?

That's not a big hassle if I don't have to sterilize or vial it sure

 

[MANWHORE]

Labmax is like a child's chemistry kit for grown ups

 

[MANWHORE]

Also of you add just a little ketchup to your brew, it totally screws labmax up ..
Mustard too so if your brew.is bland well your SOL

 

[Wunderpus]

Also of you add just a little ketchup to your brew, it totally screws labmax up ..
Mustard too so if your brew.is bland well your SOL

LOL

 

[Wunderpus]

That's not a big hassle if I don't have to sterilize or vial it sure

Seems like it might be helpful to the community. I'm not sure if we rely too much, or too little, on labmax.

 

[MANWHORE]

Seems like it might be helpful to the community. I'm not sure if we rely too much, or too little, on labmax.

Too much definitely

 

[Docd187123]

Seems like it might be helpful to the community. I'm not sure if we rely too much, or too little, on labmax.

Wayyyyyyyy too much IMO

 

[MANWHORE]

But it's the only chemistry kit available to play with

 

[Dr JIM]

This is a request or question for the brewers out there-

It's largely debated whether or not labmax can "measure" the concentration or strength of a particular hormone. Some argue "Why, yes of course it does, brighter the glow, stronger the concentration." Where others argue otherwise, and some discount labmax exclusively.

Would any brewers be willing to make a small amount of properly dosed gear, 1/2 dosed gear and very LIGHTLY dosed gear and labmax all 3? It would be the same raws, oil, etc. and might really help clear up some issues (literally you would need less than 1/4ML of each).

Another test would be to use the same raws (and ideally these are raws that have been tested by bloods or something like fina pellets) and use a few different carrier oils, to potentially debunk the myth regarding carrier oils and labmax glow.

If this is stupid or unnecessary let me know, please input your thoughts.

Well there is one HUGE problem with your suggestion which is how do you KNOW the concentration of the UGL products being used as "standards" to test LM against!

In other words you need an ESTABLISHED STANDARD such as Pharm grade AAS to determine if LM can be used to test "purity".

Of course the other problem is whether a LM assay for something like TT may also react with OTHER AAS.

Questions about this tests sensitivity and specificity have already been mentioned to LM as an area that needs refinement or clarification yet THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING, AND THAT TELLS ME ALL I NEED TO KNOW!

And that means, based on existing evidence, LM should NOT be used to determine the concentration or purity of AAS!

 

[RThoads]

what other option do we have tho--unless someone here has some big big cash wants to go buy an HPLC and a MAss Spec lol?

It is far from perfect but at least LM gives some info.

 

[Docd187123]

Well there is one HUGE problem with your suggestion which is how do you KNOW the concentration of the UGL products being used as "standards" to test LM against!

In other words you need an ESTABLISHED STANDARD such as Pharm grade AAS to determine if LM can be used to test "purity".

Of course the other problem is whether a LM assay for something like TT may also react with OTHER AAS.

Questions about this tests sensitivity and specificity have already been mentioned to LM as an area that needs refinement or clarification yet THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING, AND THAT TELLS ME ALL I NEED TO KNOW!

It doesn't necessarily need to be standardized to test the theory about potency. Whatever concentration the original brew is done at, whether accurate or not, if it's diluted down 50% will still test the theory accurately enough.