LABS toward end of Torem PCT, help!!

[TheGuy85]

I am just posting my own experiences. And then I posted a couple of threads what I found in a single search about their chems. I am telling you from my own personal experience and a friend's, that I know in person (who turned me on to CEM), that the Liquidex is bullshit. As for the Clomid, the previous source I used had better Clomid (maybe it was overdosed I don't know). CEM Clomid is real, however, I have to run it at a higher dose. The Nolvadex I believe is good, it is definitely Nolvadex, but I cannot speak on whether or not it is properly dosed because CEM is the first company's Nolva I have used. But from it's effects I believe their Nolva may be official.

Only reason I switched to CEM is because they carry other things like syringes, filters, and sterile vials. I still will not use them again after receiving a bottle of Liquidex that did nothing and had a shit load of blue flakes floating around in it that wouldn't mix in the solution. There have been a few too many odd batches and bottles.

 

[ebkallday]

@ jimmeyinkedup, Uh.... did you not see the ZBlog banner on the forum? Oh wait, you probably back him too?? Look, every company large or small had bad batches and Im sure cem is the most consistent RC company as far as far as legit products.

I too have always used cem for my PCT needs and never had a problem until I ran the Torem. Is there a chance it is good and I just am a non responder?? Yes, it is possible . RC companies are too inconsistent to toy with my PCT. I refuse to buy three or more products in hopes that one of them will work.

I, like some of the others I have spoken with have had a sneeking suspicion of the latest batch of Torem at the same time as johnny. So don't be throwing that bandwagon bullshit at legit concerns.

Oh and since you mentioned nut huggers, you are the biggest one. The majority of your posts at meso is about riding CEM's dick. So post on nutthugger!!!!

 

[ebkallday]

Double post.

 

[MythotiK]

^^^^ Uh.... did you not see the ZBlog banner on the forum? Oh wait, you probably back him too?? Look, every company large or small had bad batches and Im sure cem is the most consistent RC company as far as far as legit products.

I too have always used cem for my PCT needs and never had a problem until I ran the Torem. Is there a chance it is good and I just am a non responder?? Yes, it is possible . RC companies are too inconsistent to toy with my PCT. I refuse to buy three or more products in hopes that one of them will work.

I, like some of the others I have spoken with have had a sneeking suspicion of the latest batch of Torem at the same time as johnny. So don't be throwing that bandwagon bullshit at legit concerns.

Oh and since you mentioned nut huggers, you are the biggest one. The majority of your posts at meso is about riding CEM's dick. So post on nutthugger!!!!

Did the Torem (cem) make your tongue numb at all??

 

[ebkallday]

No. I remember the tamox did If I held it in my mouth for a few seconds. It seemed to affect my tongue for several minutes afterward. The torem just had mint flavoring and a slight bitter taste.

 

[MythotiK]

Interesting, the Torem makes my tongue numb for sure...Never used their tamox.

Makes you wonder who got what and how legit they really are on what they are selling...

 

[fit2beking]

Interesting, the Torem makes my tongue numb for sure...Never used their tamox.

Makes you wonder who got what and how legit they really are on what they are selling...

The torem I use definitely makes my tongue numb. I know mine is good and it did not come from cem meso. I have used 2 different RC companies and I have had nothing but success from both of them.

 

[ebkallday]

^^ mjr????

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

@ jimmeyinkedup, Look, every company large or small had bad batches and Im sure cem is the most consistent RC company as far as far as legit products.

Here let me help you out:

I dont think they are "selective scammers" I do think they are human. The fact is they are the biggest rc company around. If they were scamming selling all bogus torem it would be EVERYWHERE, and it isnt. Are they human and is their possibly a batch issue occasionally or a couple bottles got stored wrong or fucked up. Yeah I could see that but selective scammers? No way man they are the biggest, oldest rc company in the game. T

Like I said I can see a batch prob or an odd bottle here and there, it can def happen, but consistently undersdosed or consistantly bunk and selective scammers....bullshit.

I never said otherwise,quite the contrary as you can see above. Im sorry you took the rest of my post personally. It certainly doesn't apply to everyone in this thread, but it sure as hell applies to plenty of people in it bro. Bet on it. Isee it all the time and if your honest you sure as hell do too.
Now till they do me wrong cem has my support. After years of BS bunk shit and gyno from bunk shit they were the the first RC company I have constantly gotten quality products from. Blood work confirmed quality products. Till that changes I sure as hell am not going to start looking elsewhere...and if I did end up having too it would be that last straw for me and the RC market. Obviously you dont know me or my reputation on the forums very well, nuthugger is far from the truth. Loyal to those that do me right, relentless to those that do me wrong, and dont take free shit from anyone (im on staff at a few boards). People offer free shit all the time, especially to staff, to try to buy your support. Fuck that. I buy everything I use so I dont owe anyone shit and can say exactly how I feel. Now it sucks you had an issue-regardless of why (bunk shit - whatever), I dont know you from jack shit, I do know johnny and like i said he is straight up. You dont know me either so before you get into the personal attacks maybe you should get too. Then you would realize how off base you are.

 

[boxer15]

Just put 4cc of totem from cem on my toungue and left it in there for 30sec. Besides the sandy texture and minty flavor nothing. Been taking clomid and nolva and feel way better now.

 

[ebkallday]

^ I understand and thank you for replying. I have followed you on other forums, if you used the same handle as here. I have learned a few things from you and you give priddy solid advise.

I know what you mean by the bandwagon bashers and all. Many times one person comes forth and then the dogs attack. I assure you that is not me. Johnny posted as I was ending my second week of Torem and I felt that It was weak if not bunk. I am in no way calling CEM scammers, like you said they are only human.

When I read your post, I took it for face value and felt like you were taking a shot at those of us with legit concerns. (PCT MESSES WITH MY HEAD).

I will continue to, at minimum, to purchase the tamox as it has been very good to me over the last few years. As for now, I personally will steer clear of the torem.

 

[boxer15]

Contacted cem about my torem. Told me

" our products are for research only not human consumption".

I'm never going to recommend them to anyone again. Their customer service sucks. Didn't even ask for a refund or replacement. I was just trying to let them know the batch was bad.

 

[MKnight]

Contacted cem about my torem. Told me

" our products are for research only not human consumption".

I'm never going to recommend them to anyone again. Their customer service sucks. Didn't even ask for a refund or replacement. I was just trying to let them know the batch was bad.

If you knew they were giving out refunds, why not ask for one?

 

[Gunrunner]

Contacted cem about my torem. Told me

" our products are for research only not human consumption".

I'm never going to recommend them to anyone again. Their customer service sucks. Didn't even ask for a refund or replacement. I was just trying to let them know the batch was bad.

I believe they can't sell to anyone who states they are going to use it themselves or on humans. They cannot discuss human use or how to use it on lab animals. Research chems are for just that "Research." Obviously your research didn't produce the desired results. I do know that they are very good about reshipping an incorrect order.

 

[raysugar1234]

I'm still going use the Nolva and Clomid I got from them. Cem is also where I get my needles it was nice to have a one stop shop... Hopefully it was just a bad batch of Torem, they are very nice to deal with..

 

[TheGuy85]

Liquidex is fucked. Didn't do shit for estro sides. I think I might try posting a pic of this shit, blue flakes floating on top and settling at the bottom of the solution. I am still running their Clomid and Nolvadex, I will see how fast I bounce back with bloods. I am getting hardly, if any, Clomid sides (blurry vision, mood swings, depression). I am running it at 105mg ED w/ 20mg Nolvadex. I went through hell every time I ran PCT with 100mg Clomid ED (I taper down over the weeks). This is my first time trying CEMs Clomid and I am a little down but I am not going through the emotional breakdown that I normally feel like I am having any other time I have ran Clomid.

I complained about the adex in my log by the way, and when I posted blood results my estradiol was at 78.4. I bumped my adex dose up and I was still puffy looking and my nips were still acting up. My puffy nips are gone now that I am off cycle though.

 

[fit2beking]

@EBK yes I have used mjr and researchstop with success. I have bloods showing research stop stuff is good. I will be getting midpoint bloods next week on my current blast. I am currently using mjr stuff and it's good.

 

[Gunrunner]

I know this is very basic for most of you but I must mention this. Make sure that you shake the bottle of research liquid before use. The substances can separate in the mixture.

 

[TheGuy85]

I know this is very basic for most of you but I must mention this. Make sure that you shake the bottle of research liquid before use. The substances can separate in the mixture.

I shook the hell out of the dex and tried running it under hot water (I doubt this would do anything since bottle is plastic) . Still these big, blue flakes floating and settling in the solution. That is my biggest gripe, no one should send out some shit like that and sending a shitty AI is about one of the worst things you can do to someone. I have this mild fucking gyno now, but I think it will go down after running nolvadex for a while. I should never have had this problem since I was running arimidex from the jump. Shit has me scared to bump my test up again now, not knowing if my AI is any good. I will go back to my original research chem company, but only thing I ran from them is Clomid and it was always official (felt like I was having a mid-life crisis every time I ran it). And their stuff is dosed 50mg/mL and it is real thick and you can see the particles floating in it, gotta mix the hell out of it (comes with a stirrer/cap type thing on top). If you don't have some liquid sitting in your mouth before you take it that shit will leave this terrible taste in your mouth that will make you quiver (tastes worse than Everclear). Not to mention my tongue has a numb/tingly feeling for hours afterwards, like my taste buds have been destroyed.

 

[bickel29]

Did the Torem (cem) make your tongue numb at all??

No. I remember the tamox did If I held it in my mouth for a few seconds. It seemed to affect my tongue for several minutes afterward. The torem just had mint flavoring and a slight bitter taste.

I have used the cem tamox and can tell you that WITHOUT A DOUBT it makes my lab rats' tongue numb and leaves a funky taste/feeling in the rats' mouth when taken straight from the dropper. One of the rats told me that if I dilute the tamox into a cup (or more) of water, that effect does not occur.