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[Big_paul]

I read about that and at no point did water enter the mix. I used mct oil. Each time it turned cloudy I reheated it and added small additional amounts of bb. Keep in mind I used the same mct oil previously with crystal clear finished product. I read here that raw product that has missed steps in the refining process will turn gear cloudy that's why I think it's the raws. And also keep in mind I heated the hormone three separate times which I hope would've removed any excess h20.

From the moment you added bb to the test e raw, at no point should it have become cloudy. If it did at that point, there is a problem with the raw or your bb.

Photos of the product cool, and after the gear has been warmed and after it has cooled again, will go a long way in finding out the the problem is.

 

[TX TERROR]

The seem ok from the encounters I have seen. I have not ordered with them just yet. Still sitting back enjoying the show.

 

[Big dog]

From the moment you added bb to the test e raw, at no point should it have become cloudy. If it did at that point, there is a problem with the raw or your bb.

Photos of the product cool, and after the gear has been warmed and after it has cooled again, will go a long way in finding out the the problem is.

I can tell you it was clear only when heated then cloudy after I'll post a pic soon. The cloud is consistent throughout the product and not falling to the bottom of the vial.

 

[Big_paul]

If you heat it and the gear clears then it becomes cloudy, and you have added more bb, The only thing I know of that causes that is moisture.

By looking at the process, you can get an idea where the problem was. If it got cloudy when the solvent was added, it is the raw or the solvent. If it got cloudy when you added BA or your carrier, then the problem is with one of them.

 

[Big dog]

Could it happen during storage let's say if it was frozen?

 

[Big dog]

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Cloudy gear

 

[Big dog]

At no time did any h20 enter the mix. The above was filtered 3x

 

[rutman]

I've had some tren ace do the exact same thing. It would go cloudy after a day or two. I'd heat it up and it'd go clear, only to go cloudy again a couple days later. I came to the conclusion that when I heated it up in a beaker, on top of the stove in a pot of water, there must've been some condensation that got inside the beaker. I still pinned it without any issues, but that's the only thing that could've caused the cloudiness. I suspect that may be the case with yours.


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[Big dog]

I've had some tren ace do the exact same thing. It would go cloudy after a day or two. I'd heat it up and it'd go clear, only to go cloudy again a couple days later. I came to the conclusion that when I heated it up in a beaker, on top of the stove in a pot of water, there must've been some condensation that got inside the beaker. I still pinned it without any issues, but that's the only thing that could've caused the cloudiness. I suspect that may be the case with yours.


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Hmmmm it could very well be the case. I'll have to watch it next time. Thanks for the help rutman and big Paul!!

 

[spirit]

Well personally,i don't use water bath,i put my beaker on the stove with powder and BB inside for 5mins,then the solution becomes clear and i add the oil very carefully,at first 2mins it looks crashed and cloudy,then after reaching 70C ,the compound turns very clear.Don't mistake me with rachel,i live in Bulgaria,i am new into homebrewing but gained a lot of experience on this forum.All in all,try to avoid water bath,tiny particles may invade the compound and ruin it,pinning crashed stuff has never been problem for me ,just try to add more BB,from the picture i saw it seems like the oil cannot mix properly with powder,i use grappeseed oil

 

[Big dog]

Well personally,i don't use water bath,i put my beaker on the stove with powder and BB inside for 5mins,then the solution becomes clear and i add the oil very carefully,at first 2mins it looks crashed and cloudy,then after reaching 70C ,the compound turns very clear.Don't mistake me with rachel,i live in Bulgaria,i am new into homebrewing but gained a lot of experience on this forum.All in all,try to avoid water bath,tiny particles may invade the compound and ruin it,pinning crashed stuff has never been problem for me ,just try to add more BB,from the picture i saw it seems like the oil cannot mix properly with powder,i use grappeseed oil

Ok thx all good ideas

 

[Big dog]

Well personally,i don't use water bath,i put my beaker on the stove with powder and BB inside for 5mins,then the solution becomes clear and i add the oil very carefully,at first 2mins it looks crashed and cloudy,then after reaching 70C ,the compound turns very clear.Don't mistake me with rachel,i live in Bulgaria,i am new into homebrewing but gained a lot of experience on this forum.All in all,try to avoid water bath,tiny particles may invade the compound and ruin it,pinning crashed stuff has never been problem for me ,just try to add more BB,from the picture i saw it seems like the oil cannot mix properly with powder,i use grappeseed oil

And remember when you contradict what a member is posting especially one who's been on for a bit they may take it as you calling hem a liar. Try to keep an open mind and accept the information at face value. Rachel did send good grat to me once. The other deliveries were bunk. Perhaps her own company is getting bunk from one of only 3-4 true raw makers in China. She may not know it herself.

 

[XKawN]

I never use a water bath and I don't store raws in the fridge (especially the freezer). None of those are necessary and quite honestly just bad ideas.

 

[Big dog]

So store at room temp?

 

[XKawN]

So store at room temp?

In the closet. Try and keep somewhat cool, but mostly dark drawer or something.

 

[Big_paul]

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Cloudy gear

That is cloudy. Was it cloudy when you finished it or any time before that? I could be wrong, but to me, that doesn't look like crashed gear. It looks more like moisture in the vial, and there are only a few ways it could have got in there.

You mentioned other guys were having the same problem?

One thing I am certian of is that it's not crashed. If you added bb to the raw and it became cloudy it is one ot the two. Was it cloudy at that point? This helps determine if the contaminate was in the raw itself or your bb. Those are the only 2 possibilities.

 

[spirit]

Today i just brewed one vial of this exact test E ,i received yesterday.I dont know if their source is bunk or something went wrong ,but mine is perfectly clear,i put 1.8ml BB ,grappeseed oil and very little BA ,mixed very well but i spoted something strange with this raw.I have came across this smell previously but can't remember where,the powder is very sticky and doesn't stay in crystals like tren ace,something like cheese i dont know lol.But the smell and that washing-powder look seems strange to me.Maybe thats exactly test E,because it's my first time brewing it i dont know

 

[Cownan]

Today i just brewed one vial of this exact test E ,i received yesterday.I dont know if their source is bunk or something went wrong ,but mine is perfectly clear,i put 1.8ml BB ,grappeseed oil and very little BA ,mixed very well but i spoted something strange with this raw.I have came across this smell previously but can't remember where,the powder is very sticky and doesn't stay in crystals like tren ace,something like cheese i dont know lol.But the smell and that washing-powder look seems strange to me.Maybe thats exactly test E,because it's my first time brewing it i dont know

Both you and OP should get a plate and do a melt test.

I've had some tren ace do the exact same thing. It would go cloudy after a day or two. I'd heat it up and it'd go clear, only to go cloudy again a couple days later. I came to the conclusion that when I heated it up in a beaker, on top of the stove in a pot of water, there must've been some condensation that got inside the beaker. I still pinned it without any issues, but that's the only thing that could've caused the cloudiness. I suspect that may be the case with yours.


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Tren ace and enth is known to get cloudy. If you use a supersolvent and filter them they should come out clear and beautiful.

Other raws will crash and crystallize. Not cloud up like that. Raws that crash the most are npp and prop if used at too high a mg. But who makes prop over 200. Even 200 hurts like a bitch

 

[Big dog]

In the closet. Try and keep somewhat cool, but mostly dark drawer or something.

Ok j will

 

[Big dog]

That is cloudy. Was it cloudy when you finished it or any time before that? I could be wrong, but to me, that doesn't look like crashed gear. It looks more like moisture in the vial, and there are only a few ways it could have got in there.

You mentioned other guys were having the same problem?

One thing I am certian of is that it's not crashed. If you added bb to the raw and it became cloudy it is one ot the two. Was it cloudy at that point? This helps determine if the contaminate was in the raw itself or your bb. Those are the only 2 possibilities.

When heated the cloudiness disappears and it's clear not crystal clear but acceptable. When cooling it gets cloudy. However each time I filtered it (3x) it got slightly better. And each time I added bb.