Last minute suggestions please!

[Bigboy727]

Health and longevity comes first to me.

I understand about the orals and Tren. What I’m asking is what do you run to “gain muscle and strength”?

 

[legendary]

I understand about the orals and Tren. What I’m asking is what do you run to “gain muscle and strength”?

you can gain crazy strength on tren. Mast in my opinion will be ran every single blast. I feel it's a very underrated compound. Orals can be useful. But aren't that great in the long haul.

 

[legendary]

I'm a believer of the slow and steady gains. I'm a gym bro. I dont compete in shows or lifts. Never have never will. So my goals and outlooks may be different than others

 

[Bigboy727]

I'm a believer of the slow and steady gains. I'm a gym bro. I dont compete in shows or lifts. Never have never will. So my goals and outlooks may be different than others

I put the down the anadrol and Dbol last year and I’m done with that too. After doing eq and primo I found what works for me. I am after Quality and sustainability. I am tired of arguing with people that blowing up in 4 weeks isn’t going to last. I was there once too though.

 

[master.on]

Test-E 500mg EW week 1-12
hcg 250iu 2x a week, Week 1-12
Anadrol 100mg ED Week 1-4
tren Ace 100mg EOD Week 5-12
HCG 500iu ED Week 12-14
Week 15-18 nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 50/50/25/25

Goal: Gain muscle mass and size

What do I want from this cycle?
Make it to 220lb around 10% bf

Nutrition:
4k Calories
285g Protein
95g Fat
502g Carb

Push
Chest/Triceps/Shoulders (8-12 reps per set)
BB bench press 5 sets
Incline DB bench 3 sets
Skullcrushers 3 sets
Overhead DB extension 3 sets
Upright row 3 sets
DB lateral raise 3 sets

Pull
Back/Biceps (8-12 reps per set)
BB row wide grip 5 sets
Pull-ups 3 sets
T-bar row 3 sets
BB curl 2 sets
Incline DB curl 2 sets

Legs
(Quad focus) (8-12 reps per set)
Squat 5 sets
Narrow leg press 3 sets
Leg extensions 2 sets

OFF

Push (8-12 reps per set)
Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Incline BB bench press 4 sets
Flat DB bench press 3 sets
Standing BB press 4 sets
Arnold Press 3 sets
Cable lateral raise 2 sets
Seated dips 3 sets
Tricep cable extension 2 sets

Pull (8-12 reps per set)
Back/Biceps
Pull-ups 4 sets
DB row 3 sets
Seated machine row 2 sets
Shrugs 4 sets
BB curl 3 sets
Concentration curl 2 sets
Hammer curl 2 sets

Legs (8-12 reps per set)
(Ham focus)
Wide stance leg press 4 sets
DB RDL 3 sets
Leg curl 3 sets
Standing leg curl 2 sets

OFF


About to pull the trigger on this one. Any last minute suggestions?

Pyramid up Tren. 100 mg EOD right from the beginning can feel like too much to handle at once.

I prefer to leave orals for the last weeks of the cycle, to break plateau.

No AI?

 

[luex]

@Skull @Bigboy727 Reason being for the Tren Ace is I've never run tren before, so if things don't go as planned or my body responds to it really negatively then I can drop it much faster than the Tren E..I've also heard a lot of people prefer tren ace over tren-e when running tren/comparing the two... That being said I will probably stick with the tren ace unless one of you guys say something other than just the less pinning, that is good, but I'd rather be able to drop it fast if need be. 100mg EOD tren ace ok? I could also pyrimid that up as @master.on said. Orals will be left from week 9-12 instead of 1-4. @master.on .25mg of arimidex EOD, letro on had if gyno appears.

 

[Bigboy727]

Tren Ace if it’s your first time for sure.

 

[Skull]

@Skull @Bigboy727 Reason being for the Tren Ace is I've never run tren before, so if things don't go as planned or my body responds to it really negatively then I can drop it much faster than the Tren E...

I can see you've done your studying. Good for you bro not many put enough thought into their cycles. Its nice to see some still do. Like @Bigboy727 jus mentioned, for a first timer tren run...Ace is your best an safest bet brother. Hope all goes well for ya. Get them gains

 

[luex]

Thanks for all the advice fellas. I appreciate it.

 

[luex]

What did you guys think of the training involved with this? Sorry to bump an old thread but I'm curious