Latest Blood Results (DHT & HCG)

[coz]

These test's were taken just before my 75mg weekly test cyp shot. I had also done 250iu HCG the 2 days prior (first time)

I also take 50mg clomid/day & 60mg/day Evista for gyno sensitivity.

Total Test - 23.9 (11.1 - 32.9) nmol/L
Bio-Avail Test - 478 (150 - 753) ng/dL
SHBG - 17.8 (11 - 71) nmol/L
DHT - 449 (444 - 1727) pg/ml
FAI - 134 (30 - 80)
Total PSA - .68 (0 - 4.0) ug/L
Estradiol - 84 (00 - 191) pmol/L

HDL - 35.9 mg/dL
LDL - 71.4 mg/dL
Chol Ratio - 3.8

Haemoglobin - 17.9 (13.5 - 18) g/dL
RBC - 5.46 (4.50 - 6.30) mil/uL
Haematocrit - 52.7 (38.0 - 52.0) %
MCV - 96.4 (76.0 - 97.0) fL
MCH - 32.7 (26.0 - 32.0) pg
MCHC - 33.9 (31.0 - 36.0) g/dl
RDW - 12.5 (11.0 - 15.6) %
Platelet - 173 (140 - 460) ths/ul
WBC - 6.45 (4.00 - 11.00) ths/ul

I had only been running the clomid for 3 weeks before this blood test & within the 1st week - I felt the best I had (libido up, errections up etc) - and this lasted until these blood tests (start of HGC).

I wanted to increase my Test dosage to 85mg, although my endo is concerned about Haematocrit being high.

I notice my DHT is on the lower end of the scale (and wondered if this could be effecting libido). Unfortunately I don't have labs of it before starting the HCG, during the 3 weeks i felt my best.

I have seen other threads where guys DHT has lowered after taking HCG, anyone have any more info/comments on this ?

Any other comments welcomed.

 

[Matt Muscle]

I think your Estrogen/E2 tests will not be accurate whilst taking a SERM class drug.
Perhaps your low DHT is giving you problems.... Anyone else know what levels of DHT are appropriate for normal sexual function?

 

[HeadDoc]

donate a pint of blood and the HCT will come down. HDL is a little low. Look on this board for supplements that can help raise HDL.

 

[gemini]

I notice my DHT is on the lower end of the scale (and wondered if this could be effecting libido). Unfortunately I don't have labs of it before starting the HCG, during the 3 weeks i felt my best.

I have seen other threads where guys DHT has lowered after taking HCG, anyone have any more info/comments on this ?

Check out this post by SWALE. It seems to address your question regarding HCG and DHT.
https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/416656

 

[SWALE]

Good advice, guys.

Whatever you do, reduce the SERM-class dosage. You are taking waaaaaay too much. This is assuming use of thee drugs is appropriate.

 

[coz]

Thanks for the reply guys.

Am still curious if anyone has seen DHT lowered by using HCG ? As it was only after I started HCG that loss in libido etc happened...

Also my DHT is quite low, is it too low - could this be causing the drop in libido & errections (which were both quite good before starting HCG) ?

Is there anyway to increase DHT ? Is this wise ?

Swale - yes I'm lowering the SERMS & if my nipples issues remain gone - I will try to stop them completely over time.

 

[zaarel2]

Perhaps you should try androgel instead of the IM? I know that based on the higher concentration of 5alpha in the skin you will get a higher conversion to DHT.......and I believe its was Swale who said afterall DHT is responsible for "All Things Male"

Might be worth a shot.

 

[pmgamer18]

Yes low DHT will kill your sex life dam good. Try Ardorgel or Testim this got my DHT 3 times over the top of the range.
Phil

 

[wrathe]

i took my second shot of cyp last friday..first was 200mgs second was 125mgs this friday is to be 100mgs then 100 all along..my erectios have gotten week and balls tight..i was doing nolva and hcg prior to cyp and had good wood and balls were full...what to do? thx

 

[ciobl]

i took my second shot of cyp last friday..first was 200mgs second was 125mgs this friday is to be 100mgs then 100 all along..my erectios have gotten week and balls tight..i was doing nolva and hcg prior to cyp and had good wood and balls were full...what to do? thx

go back to nolva and hcg.

as simple as that, of course let your doctor know.

 

[Weatherlite]

To do things right you should probably lay off of any HCG or Nolva (unless nipple issues appear and then use the Nolva as appropriate)

Let the T levels stabilize. This takes some time. With the front loading like it is I'd say wait a full 5 weeks after you start 100mg/week for your labs. If things look good THEN you can add in the HCG. Monitor E and E2 levels appropriately and treat if necessary.

Yes, things will suck for a while....poor libido, poor erections etc etc but that's because you're coming off of a supraphysiological dose to a normal TRT dose. Once your body realizes what is going on it will adapt and regulate to the norm. You start to feel better shortly.

 

[coz]

Yes low DHT will kill your sex life dam good. Try Ardorgel or Testim this got my DHT 3 times over the top of the range.
Phil

Yes - I think it is my low DHT, and would like to try higher it to see... Although my endo doesn't beleive DHT has anything to do with libido or errection function..

In regards to Androgel or Testim - I may not be able to get that here. What can be used as an exogenous form of DHT ? Or are there any supplements to increase it ?

Also - still interested in if HCG could be causing the lower DHT levels ? Does it effect the alpha-5 reductase at all, therefore lowering the conversion of T to DHT (as my total & free levels look ok) ?

 

[pmgamer18]

Where are you in the UK they have it but it is a different name. I have this link on DHT.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm
And it is talked about in this link. Doing a search on DHT is hard most of the stuff you get is about hair loss.
http://www.geocities.com/bill3320/hormones.html
Phil

 

[Viper1]

Yes - I think it is my low DHT, and would like to try higher it to see... Although my endo doesn't beleive DHT has anything to do with libido or errection function..

I beginning to wonder about the importance of DHT myself. On my last blood test it was 73 on a range of 25 to 75.

 

[pmgamer18]

You are ok it is when you are to low that the problems start. My Dr. did not feel when I was 3 times higher then the max of the range that it is doing anything. But it is better to keep everything in range.
Phil