Lets plaaaayyy...Name that cycle!

Bob Smith

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Lets say you guys were gonna build a cycle for someone, say someone looking to add 15-25 solid pounds between April 1 and Aug 1, how would you build it? The person is 210 pounds, 10% bf. A few parameters, all of the alloted time does not have to be used, there are certain limitations of products, side effects kept to a minimum.

The products at your disposal are:

400mg deca - 20mls
200mg cyp - 45mls
500mg EQ - 15mls
200mg sus/prop - 50mls
75mg tren - 30mls
50mg dbol - 50 tabs
50mg winny - 50 tabs
and all the anti-es, of course.
 
For me, personally, I'd run the following (which is basically what I'm currently on):

800mg Test/wk (switch to sus/prop around wk 11) -- 16 weeks
500mg EQ/wk -- 14 weeks
50mg D-bol ED -- first 4 weeks
75mg Tren ED -- weeks 5-8 (I'd run Tren from week 5 to the end if available)
75 - 100mg Winny ED -- weeks 13-16

I'm not a big fan of Deca b/c I severely hold water when taking it...but I made great gains off of it. Guess it's just a personal issue. Good luck!
 
My last three cycle have been

Weeks 1-6 75 mg/day IP Dbol (1/2 tab three times per day)
weeks 1-2 2500 mg / week Organon Karachi Sustanon 250 from Sombat - frontload for the 1st 2 weeks (2.8 ccs EOD)
weeks 3-12 1250 mg/week Organon Karachi Sust 250 from Sombat (1.4 ccEOD)
weeks 1-12 (1) 1.20 mg arimidex tab EOD - SBC arimidex
weeks 15-17 Clomid 100mg/day

I think I probably used too much test, and due to that I am going to use a lower amount of test next cycle.

Oh yeah Bob Smith!! :D I sorta cheated. I did not use your gear you had listed.

I will NEVER use Deca because of the 17-18 month detection time and I will NEVER use Equi because of the 5 month detection time.

I will NEVER use winnie due to joint pain.

I will never use Tren Acetate because 1) it is pretty expensive and 2)If you are using plenty of Test I do not see the need for Tren.

To each his own but I, along with (5) very good friends of mine, have all gotten HUGE off IP's Dbol and Sombat'sOrganon Karachi Sustanon 250.

I think a lot of guys on Meso forget something very impirtant and it hinders their gains. For optimum results - KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

I guess I don't see the point of stacking 6 or 7 things. WHY?? When just a good ole Test/Dbol/Deca or Equi cycle will absolutely blow you up if all of the other variable are in place. And if you are taking sufficient quantities of arimidex, you can still get very lean and very cut with Prop/Dbol/Equi.

Hardcore 210 is a friend of mine and we have talked several times about a guy at our gym who always comes up to us and asks "What about Tren??" "What about Anavar??" "What about Primo??" "What about blah blah blah blah". I mean the guy is never satisfied.

Anyway, about 24 months ago, I hooked this guy up at our gym with a cycle - his first cycle ever. I bought him everything and sat down and had about a 2 hour talk with about everything. The guy was completely clueless. I had told him beforehand to go to anabolicreview.com and mesorx.com and spend atleast 3-4 weeks reading up on everything. He was so fucking lazy he told me he spent maybe 20 minutes. So again, like I was saying, the night I gave him his gear , I spent about 2 hours with him talking about everything.

Well to make a long story short, I kept his cycle EXTREMELY SIMPLE - KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid
weeks 1-6 50 mg/day Ip Dbol (1/4 tab four times per day)
weeks 1-12 1050mg/week Sombat's Organon Karachi Sustanon 250 (1.2 cc's EOD)
weeks 1-12 .25 mg arimidex/day (IP .25 mg arimidex tab)
weeks 15-17 100mg Clomid/day

This guy who was completely clueless basically, but, who after sitting down with me for 2 hours and going over EVERYTHING - Sleep, Diet, Cardio, supplements, AAS, water intake....everything - he ended up putting on 29 lbs and fucking blew up. He personally told me he had a bunch of people in our gym asking him if he was using steroids. It was extremely obvious. And talk about a SIMPLE cycle - 6 weeks of Dbol and 12 weeks of Karachi Sust 250 - that is about as SIMPLE of a cycle as you can get - and he fucking blew up.

I am not bashing anyone on Meso. I think it's cool when guys put in a ton of time researching and planning out their cycles. Some of these cycles obviously took a ton of time to plan out and I admire and respect any of you who have come up with these stacks.

I just know for ME, and for all of my friends I have introduced to AAS...............we will all KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid - and stick to very simple, very basic stacks.

Sorry Bob Smith I know I got way sidetracked from your original post. :D You have my permission to kick my ass. :D Or you can have Jewel kick my ass too!! :D

dumbbellpress No excuses, no regrets.
 
Bob Smith said:
Lets say you guys were gonna build a cycle for someone, say someone looking to add 15-25 solid pounds between April 1 and Aug 1, how would you build it? The person is 210 pounds, 10% bf. A few parameters, all of the alloted time does not have to be used, there are certain limitations of products, side effects kept to a minimum.

The products at your disposal are:

400mg deca - 20mls
200mg cyp - 45mls
500mg EQ - 15mls
200mg sus/prop - 50mls
75mg tren - 30mls
50mg dbol - 50 tabs
50mg winny - 50 tabs
and all the anti-es, of course.

I think a few 2 on 2-4 off cycles would be perfect. He has the correct gear (sus/prop, tren, dbol, winny) and the sides would be next to nothing.

If he isn't very experienced, he should reach his goals within the 1st 2 cycles. Even if he has quite a bit of AAS/training experience, he would easily reach his
goal by August.
 
hardcore210 said:
For me, personally, I'd run the following (which is basically what I'm currently on):

800mg Test/wk (switch to sus/prop around wk 11) -- 16 weeks
500mg EQ/wk -- 14 weeks
50mg D-bol ED -- first 4 weeks
75mg Tren ED -- weeks 5-8 (I'd run Tren from week 5 to the end if available)
75 - 100mg Winny ED -- weeks 13-16

I'm not a big fan of Deca b/c I severely hold water when taking it...but I made great gains off of it. Guess it's just a personal issue. Good luck!




this is very close to my current cycle except I dont have the winny in there - so far its been kick ass - tren is my friend and the rest are just in there to keep us company

I am running test cyp weeks 1-18 700 mgs

EQ 400 mgs 1-10 600 mgs 11-16

tren enth weeks 1-10 500 mgs

d-bol 40 mgs ed weeks 1-5

provi weeks 13-16 50 mgs ed
 
DBPress, I agree that people make cycles WAY too complicated. 2-3 products per cycle should be able to cover the bases for 90% of the guys on here.

Anyone else with some ideas?
 
I would do the following

week 1-12 400mg deca
week 1-15 600mg cyp
weeks 3-17 nolva 10mg a day (unlesyou start to see any reason to dose more)
16-18 clomid 300mg day 1 ; 50mg ed thereafter

2 shots a week just so you dont have to plug 3.5 cc's in ya at once (that and shot days are just soo fun wouldn't ya say?)

I like deca and I like cypionate always been a wonderful combo for myself
 
Since I am on the stupid side, I always keep it simple. Test (either enanthate or cyp on bulkers) at 750-800mg/wk, or prop on cutters at 700/wk, tren at 600/wk, and winny at the end of the cutter. EQ, if used during cutter at 600/wk. I don't use DBOL, and I don't use deca (personal preferences). Sometimes Masteron will be thrown in.
 
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