Let's Talk Prohormones...M1T, etc...

[andruw251]

Also, I'm interested in the half-lives of these substances. It's very helpful to know to gauge amount for usage and how long you need to be off before starting up again.

sorry bro, i skipped this quesion. you probably wont know much about the exact half lifes of these compounds since, for now, they are technically considered dietary supplements by the FDA...there hasnt been many studies on these, so their half lifes just arent know. but i would think its safe to say that none of them have a half life of more than a day or so..... none (except 1test cyp) have esters attached, so they are just base hormones, and most illegal methyls have a halflife of under 12hrs (winny's is 9 hrs, thats the longest one i can think of), theres no reason to believe that the legal methyls are any different. as with illegal steroids, time on=time off. its best to split dosages of all ph's/legal steroids up throught the day

 

[AnimalMass]

Excellent, excellent posts so far Andrew! When we finish this discussion, I'll make it a sticky.

I'm gonna do a little further research and then get back to you.

AM

 

[AnimalMass]

ok, couple questions....

How much M5aa would you recommend per day?

What's the difference in M1,4diol and just 1,4diol? (I mean, besides the methyl attachment?) - how do they compare with the others? and how much would you recommend?

At this point I'm thinking of doing just 1 test transdermally, M1T and M5aa orally.

My wife is pregnant, and has no sex drive right now, so I don't think I need the 4ad. lol

AnimalMass

 

[macattack]

I'm on my second cycle of M1T( 20mg first week 15mg 2nd week and 10mg the 3rd )and 4AD first one was nice but i thru in 700mg test enanthe for the 2nd and 3rd week it got pretty rough i had to stop it at 24 days i was going for 30 and i've done about 4 cycles of AS in the last 2 years and this shit was tough.

This cycle not using test E just 10-15 mg M1T and 500mg 4AD a day i tried the 1.4AD with it but didn't feel right so i dropped 1,4 after a week buying everything from 1fast he has good product and pricing and reliable.

Lethargy is BAD taking EOD off and just took 2 days off it mess's with your head to aggitation, depression all the same sides as AS also had some bloating in feet and i think i even have it in my stomach now.

The first cycle during PCT is where i noticed huge strength increases for me ( that was strange) but i used 50-75mg DHEA and about 2,000mg Tribulus a day for PCT some nolva the first 3 days then dropped it, PCT went VERY WELL with that stack. I have noticed very little testicle reduction so it's not shutting me down much, but there is a loss of libido.

Guess i should have been keeping a journal i could tell you alot more here thats all i got for now.

 

[andruw251]

ok, couple questions....

How much M5aa would you recommend per day?

What's the difference in M1,4diol and just 1,4diol? (I mean, besides the methyl attachment?) - how do they compare with the others? and how much would you recommend?

At this point I'm thinking of doing just 1 test transdermally, M1T and M5aa orally.

My wife is pregnant, and has no sex drive right now, so I don't think I need the 4ad. lol

AnimalMass

i ran m5aa for a couple weeks to boost my strength during a cycle, i as well as most people prefer to take it about 30min-1hr pre workout, i can definitely feel agression when i take it, 20-40mg preworkout should be enough unless your fairly huge....i have never used 1,4 diol, but it converts to boldenone, so if taken in high enough dosages, it should be similar to a fast acting EQ, m 1,4 ad converts to methyl-boldenone (or androstenalone) aka dbol, i have tried this one at 50mg per day to kickstart a cycle, it gave me results similar to 25-30mg per day of dbol. btw, congrats on expecting a kid bro.. i think that stack would work well.....however taking m1t and 1test together will just make the lethargy and supression sides worse, especially w/o 4ad, so if i were you, i'd replace the m1t with m1,4ad to kick off the cycle. you can use about 20-30mg more than what you would use of dbol...example: if you use 50mg of dbol normally, try 70-80mg m1,4ad.

 

[andruw251]

Excellent, excellent posts so far Andrew! When we finish this discussion, I'll make it a sticky.

I'm gonna do a little further research and then get back to you.

AM

thanks bro...i reasearched this stuff for about a year and did a few legal cycles, b4 deciding that it was simpler and cheaper to use illegal gear thats been around for decades (cant beat a straight high dosage test cycle, or a prop/tren cutter IMO). i still throw m1t and m1,4ad in some of my "illegal" cycles to this day bc they work so well, but i can definitely see the appeal to ph's/legal steroids for legal and moral issues. heres a link to some more good info http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190160

 

[andruw251]

also, i forgot to add this, but since these ph's dont have esters attached, they are fast acting. you can get the full benefits from most of them in short 6 week cycles....for me m1t gains stalled out after about 20 days, when i ran 1ad, the gains stalled out about the 6th or 7th week

 

[RH81]

I just finished a 3 week M1T cycle last month,by far the best legal drug for strength & bulking,I gained and kept almost an inch on my biceps,that is while also running DNP!!,trength went through the roof while on,definitely lost a lot after PCT...all in all I am happy with the results,better than any of the other shit out there,but falls short of actual illegal roids...

Sides were nonexistant for me,no tiredness,workouts were much harder and intense,you will bloat up on it,kinda like a dbol bloat,but the water subsides within days during PCT,then you willl get to see the muscle that you put on...cant beat it for price,I payed only $9.99 for 60ct...BTW i ran it at 20mgs a day.


GL,Robbie

 

[andruw251]

I just finished a 3 week M1T cycle last month,by far the best legal drug for strength & bulking,I gained and kept almost an inch on my biceps,that is while also running DNP!!,trength went through the roof while on,definitely lost a lot after PCT...all in all I am happy with the results,better than any of the other shit out there,but falls short of actual illegal roids...

Sides were nonexistant for me,no tiredness,workouts were much harder and intense,you will bloat up on it,kinda like a dbol bloat,but the water subsides within days during PCT,then you willl get to see the muscle that you put on...cant beat it for price,I payed only $9.99 for 60ct...BTW i ran it at 20mgs a day.


GL,Robbie

running 20mg per day may be a reason why you think it falls short of illegal steroids.... the average dose of most illegal orals is 50mg ED, the only reason that most people take around 20mg ED of m1t, is bc it was put out by the supplement industry, LG put it out originally and recommended 10mg ED (which is effective for smaller people) mainly, IMO, for liability purposes, then all the supplement and PH users on forums established the recommended dose to be around 15-25mg ED, however, most of these peole had never used gear b4, so of course 20mg would do wonders for them. with all that said, if you've done multiple steroid cycles, then 30-50mg would be the optimal dose IMO..if you had used that dosage, then you wouldnt be saying that it fell short of illegal roids